Has anyone called Poe on godrulz already? If not, I'd be willing to do it. He's spouting all the uninformed bullcrap in the book. Can't possibly be real.
Posts by TDaze
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109Could Christians please respond; Is there a penalty for rejecting Jesus?
by nicolaou in.
hell is pretty much out of vogue these days so if this rabid atheist decidedly turns his back on god and/or christ what will become of me?.
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The Bible is full of violence.Why are JW's told to avoid anything related to it then?
by XPeterX inin exodus jehovah killed the egyptians.ahud stabbed eglon in his abdomen,people in a city (don't remember which one) would eat their own children,jw's back then sacrificed their babies to moloch and the list goes on.so why jw's have to avoid books,music,movies which contain violence?
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One could argue that it was necessary for Israel to stake a claim in the Promised Land so that the Messiah could be born as a pure Israelite, except given that the Messiah only really had to be in human form in order to balance the scales, he could've been Korean for all that it'd matter, so long as he died for our sins.
Besides that, you'd think an all-powerful all-loving god could think of another way than beastly genocide.
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The Bible is full of violence.Why are JW's told to avoid anything related to it then?
by XPeterX inin exodus jehovah killed the egyptians.ahud stabbed eglon in his abdomen,people in a city (don't remember which one) would eat their own children,jw's back then sacrificed their babies to moloch and the list goes on.so why jw's have to avoid books,music,movies which contain violence?
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TDaze
Another thing, the WT encourages a blood lust within JWs, and I remember being confused when I was younger because of this. On one hand JWs are taught that we love our neighbors, yet we can't wait for them to be destroyed. On top of that, the bloodlust is supported by handpicked scriptures.
This is not at all unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. Pretty much all ~38,000 sects within Christianity will do this in order to prop their deity up.
Who would, after all, cherry pick Numbers 15:32-36, which describes how a man was stoned to death for gathering some sticks on the Sabbath? Or who would cherry pick Joshua 6:21 which tells us how the Israelites conquered Jericho and didn't just kill combatants, but also civilians and animals, even having them plunge their swords into their babies? If a group of people would do this nowadays, Christians would be outraged (as they should), but when it's about, for example, homosexuality, these same Christians could very well turn around and spewthe most hateful vitriol. And why not? Using the bible and some mental gymnastics, you can excuse any crazy idea.
It's not just violence either, it's also weakness. Which Christian would cherry pick Judges 1:19, which states that with the help of God Judah drove out all inhabitants from the mountain, but apparently God's help was not enough when certain inhabitants had chariots of iron. I think they'd much rather cherry pick the battles that their god has won. Without considering if these battles have taken place at all, obviously.
So as you see, this is not a Jehovah's Witness thing. This is something that Christians do in general. -
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What happens after login at the jw.org site?
by bereanbiblestudent indoes anyone know what happens after the login at www.jw.org?.
are there any publications in pdf (like the kingdom ministry) and/or letters available there?.
https://www.jw.org/index.html?option=ybtvr1.
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TDaze
Your IP address will be traced and crossreferenced with the database of the ISPs in your area. This way they can find out your physical address and send some sheperds to bring you back to the flock.
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Here's a belief.........and a question
by Flowerpetal inok......lately at the baptismal talks there is mention of those getting baptized, that from that day on, they have become ordained ministers.
jehovah gives them that ordination.
so, in order for us to be ordained ministers from god, aren't we supposed to receive the holy spirit so that when we go out preaching and teaching to others, the spirit will help us and guide us to those interested individuals?.
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TDaze
Ah, so, some pagan, worshipping a rock because of his being included in "all flesh" would have received this holy spirit? I don't think so!
That's not what he said:
This spirit of truth has since that time been available to each and every human being
So in this spirit would then be accessable to whoever asked for it, not just a select few. I think that's more in line with the Christian mythology.
Luckily for the rest of the human race, RR, God is not limited by that same stunted viewpoint
Indeed. I think God would first have to overcome His non-existence, lol.
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Is Armageddon a REAL EVENT to the GB like 9/11 is to the rest of us?
by Terry inall of us are aware of the startling and terrifying events of 2001, or 9/11 as it is commonly termed.. airplanes were hijacked and flown into the world trade center killing over a thousand innocent people.. this experience is vivid enough in our memory and consciousness so that it can serve as a significant illustration of what follows.. .
now i want you to imagine that you and a group of your friends received ironclad evidence ahead of the 9/11 event.
the evidence is from.
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TDaze
I think there's a very apt word that answers the main question of this thread quickly and concisely:
Doublethink.
They know it's shit, but they do believe it.
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2011 District a$$embly - We cant wait. The board is abuzz WHAT NOOLITE?
by hamsterbait inthe first summer a$$embly finishes this weekend.. tell tell!.
who are the toes.
the verrucas and fungus?.
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TDaze
It helps us to be smug.
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Stephen Hawking vs. 12 year old " Heaven"
by jam inif this have been covered, i apologize..the diane sawyer show,.
a young boy of 12yrs.
old stated he have seen heaven when he was.
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TDaze
What are you trying to say? A four year old kid said he saw Jesus in all his aryan glory, therefore heaven must exist?
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When did you stand up and say No More to the GB and Witness world, mine was in 2000
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2008, I think. Here, check out my deconversion story. It's bit of a read, but I'm sure you guys will enjoy it.
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Was God's name known to Abraham and other Hebrew Patriarchs?
by doubtful inexodus chapter 3.
15god, furthermore, said to moses, "thus you shall say to the sons of israel, '(w)the lord, the god of your fathers, the god of abraham, the god of isaac, and the god of jacob, has sent me to you ' this is my name forever, and this is my (x)memorial-name to all generations.. exodus chapter 6. god spoke further to moses and said to him, "i am (b)the lord;.
likewise, the hebrews to whom he was being sent did not know of god's name.
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TDaze
The history is very interesting. I'll try to be short, but if you want to know more, check out A History of God by Karen Armstrong. It's probably a bit heavy, though, so be warned.
Okay, these books have been written centuries after the fact. The pentateuch is really just a collection of folk myths, such as the flood and the exodus from Egypt. To understand what these stories mean, one has to keep in mind Judaism is an offshoot of the ancient Canaanite religions. At the time of Abraham there were many gods. Abraham himself was a traveling servant. He worshiped the local gods. In the Canaanite pantheon there was always room for one more god, as long as it didn't clash with the already established gods. According to the story Abraham was one day talked to by Yahweh, who promised him to give him lots of offspring. Yahweh identified himself here to Abraham, because in return Abraham would have to make Yahweh his Elohim. Elohim is a word that means something along the lines of the one god that you worship in exclusion of all the others. Note this was not monotheism yet; Abraham still believed the other gods existed. He was just going to devote himself to Yahweh.
Later, with Moses, when he wanted to free the Israelites, the identity was not strictly neccessary. When Moses asked: 'Who are you?', Yahweh said: 'Meh, I am who I am.' This is a way of saying 'Never mind who I am'. If someone would, for example, leave to go fishing and one jew would ask to another jew where the man was going, the second jew would shrug and say: 'Meh, he's going where he's going.' In other words, who cares. It's not important. But recognizing the need for at least an identity, he said: 'I am Yahweh, the elohim of your forefathers'. And that's all they had to know.
Interestingly enough, though Yahweh says he has never identified himself to Abraham, he did identify himself to Abraham as his new Elohim in Genesis 18:14. He did so, however, in the form of angels (messengers). So likely he was talking about identifying himself personally.
Throughout the ages, Yahweh, one of the gods of the pantheon (which was also known as "The House of El") slowly became more and more popular, eventually taking the place of El himself. This is why we have found relics of these eras with inscriptions such as 'To Yahweh and his Asherah' (The latter starting out as being the wife of El.) Eventually, the Jews were divided into two religions: The Yahwists - who pushed for monotheism - and the Elohists - who wanted to keep the old ways. This is why we see different versions of the same story in the bible, and why they have some inconsistencies (such as the inventory of the Ark of Noah); they're merely the same myth told by different crowds.
Eventually, a brilliant move was made by the Yahwists. King Josiah, in his religious fire, wanted the temple to Yahweh rebuilt. During inspection, his Yahwist buddies just so happened to bump into these new scrolls that nobody had ever seen before, but stated that Yahweh was the only god there was. This was the tipping point: Finally monotheism was a reality. The other gods were not just vilified, they were now denied existence, something unheard of at the time. But there you go. This is why it is not strange that the bible seems to be acknowledging other gods: It's because at that time, they were actually thought to exist!