https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4z2-sf4ky.
Lett is aging terribly the last few years. Every time I see him he looks older. The stress of the WT fall from grace is killing him.
Here's some advice Lett.
Tell the truth. Let it go. God isn't backing you. Cut your losses. Follow the example of Ray Franz and do the right thing. You might get some sleep at night.
just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.
i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.
" we missed you at the meeting last week.
Breezy -
this video helps you understand the brick wall that you're running into
first off, i certainly agree the jw's are a cult.
but i'm sensitive to black-and-white thinking now.. so, where do they rank on the scale?
think of a cultish religion scale from 0-10.. consider the likes of unitarian universalism vs baptist vs amish vs charles manson.. where do you think jw's fall on the scale?.
first off, i certainly agree the jw's are a cult.
but i'm sensitive to black-and-white thinking now.. so, where do they rank on the scale?
think of a cultish religion scale from 0-10.. consider the likes of unitarian universalism vs baptist vs amish vs charles manson.. where do you think jw's fall on the scale?.
Good points on your list from the WT Datadog...
Who cares if it's slightly different from other cults!!
It's an intellectual discussion. While dealing with this religion understandably stirs up emotions, emotion can get the best of us if we're not careful. I think it's good to keep things in perspective and understand what we are actually dealing with here instead of flying off the handle and doing something to either hurt ourselves or someone else. (speaking hypothetically)
For instance, let's say someone is stuck in JW land like I am. Understanding that being stuck in Scientology or Amish country would be possibly a little worse and that there are "awake" members dealing with that reality as we speak, may be just the slight edge needed to keep us going another day with our burden. Saying "a cult is a cult is a cult" is not dealing with the issue with our eyes wide open to the full picture. It leans back to that 'either/or", black-and-white thinking that we are trying to rise above.
Understanding we are on a scale with other people, some better, some worse, can help us feel not so alone.
today during the public talk the speaker said that satan was behind the new modern phones, which are like mini computers, so that the world would have easy access to pornography..
1)he ran around and wandered for 3 years naked.. 2) he hid his underwear in a rock but then went back to retrieve it after a "long time".. apparently he didn't mind parting with his draws, but he couldn't be separated from the.
cattle yoke he had fastened to his shoulders until someone broke it off.. 3)he married a prostitute and named their daughter lo-ruhama, which means 'unloved.. 4) we have the guy that preached in in town and the entire city repented.
for any preacher this.
first off, i certainly agree the jw's are a cult.
but i'm sensitive to black-and-white thinking now.. so, where do they rank on the scale?
think of a cultish religion scale from 0-10.. consider the likes of unitarian universalism vs baptist vs amish vs charles manson.. where do you think jw's fall on the scale?.
I agree with much of what you guys/gals are saying. I look at the thought-stopping and other blatant manipulation in the JW's. The willingness to let members kill themselves over their half-wit interpretation of 2000 year old scripture (blood). OrphanCrow I haven't thought of the org like that, but you're right. They really are a subtle version of the suicide cults. That's a sobering thought.
I guess I see the Amish and other heavily isolated crazies as being 9's on the scale. The Charles Mansons, Jonestowns of the world are the 10's. So JW's would be an 8 to me (same as OTWO). Control is high but immediate physical danger lower than the groups further up the chain.
Mormons like 7.5
Scientology 8.5
1. boring as s***e 2. extremely boring 3. boring as hell 4. boring.
5. slightly boring 6. not bad.
7. fair.
I'm with Cofty. After learning ttatt, the meetings aren't boring, you sit there is disbelief.
They literally meet multiple times a week to tell each other their wishes will come true.
a single sister in her 40s and her two single daughters were visiting my mom.
i would say her daughters are in their early 20s.
my mom got sleepy and we put her to bed but the three sisters stayed to finish their drinks..
Sabin - Personally I think they have absolutely no respect for the marriage arrangement at all.
I agree and even less respect for women. They are basically saying that the Servant Body should have their choice of a mate within the congregation. "Man's helper" -doncha know. They want the 1950's forever.
i stumbled on this wikipedia page giving alternative 10 commandments:.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/alternatives_to_the_ten_commandments.
this was #10 on a list by bertrand russell (british philosopher 1872-1970).
