For the record I have enjoyed the "black jack" videos and I appreciate the stand they are taking concerning child abuse in the org. While that stand is commendable and will help many stand up themselves, it comes with consequences in a our-way-or-the-highway cult like Jehovahs Witnesses.
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Marking Talk of Couple
by Hadriel inat no time did the elders ever mention apostasy.
days later after a shepherding call which only covered child abuse handling they are being marked as if they are trying to get their own followers etc.
so so sad.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ktm7fsqwrw.
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Marking Talk of Couple
by Hadriel inat no time did the elders ever mention apostasy.
days later after a shepherding call which only covered child abuse handling they are being marked as if they are trying to get their own followers etc.
so so sad.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ktm7fsqwrw.
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It is sad, but to be honest this is a slap on the wrist. There are many boe's that would have disfellowshipped them by now. They have gone on YouTube and such speaking out against the org. This is a cult. Plain and simple. They are barbaric village leaders of the Middle Ages in their mentality. They make people wear scarlet letters and they burn dissidents at the stake.
This marking talk is just the beginning I'm afraid, and it is par for the course.
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Just wondering who on this board has a spouse that is fully in and your awake?
by goingthruthemotions ini am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?
a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.
i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..
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xjwsrock
I'm an awake elder begrudgingly still serving simply trying to play my cards right with the wife. Timing is important. My fade so far is just getting off the service committee and off the fast track to being a COBE. Can you imagine? So much for holy magic.
The wife enjoys the status of not just being a plain Jane publisher. I must admit it has it's perks - like not being messed with by elders. Elders are scared of other elders. It's weird. Unless you have a real a$$ on your hands, you can get away with a lot as an awake elder. Hard as hell to give comments or parts though. I edit out so much material, there is hardly anything left to talk about.
Anyway, the wife is full-in but I think she doubts more than she leads on. I have dumped ttatt on her a couple of times. This last episode led to a crying fit and her throwing things across the room. It's scary when you see stuff come out of your spouse that you have never seen before. The indoctrination is diabolical.
I think something broke in my wife during this last knock-down-drag-out. She hasn't been the same since. It happened a couple of months ago. I referred to accounts in the Bible as just "stories". That was too much too fast. She is actually going to the doctor for meds for anxiety this week. She is blaming other stuff, but I know it's what I have told her (ttatt) combined with the realization that my thinking isn't "coming back around to Jehovah".
Hang in there everybody. We'll survive this. We aren't the crazy ones.
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Are Witnesses really "Bible Students"?
by stuckinarut2 inwe were always told that as witnesses we were "sincere bible students".... carefully examining the scriptures.. yes, we were indeed taught much about the content of the bible, it's history, prophecies etc..... but it was always from one perspective....that of the society.
when the society changed its interpretations, we had to do the same..... so were we really "bible students", or "society students"?.
just a thought.....
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xjwsrock
The weekly WT "lesson" is cult indoctrination plain and simple.
It's criminal. - kairosAmen. Here is what the WT "study" is:
We read something to you, ask you to repeat it back to us, you nod in agreement smiling appreciatively, and afterwards speak of the experience as being encouraging and a spiritual refreshment.
The end. You are now a student.
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Are Witnesses really "Bible Students"?
by stuckinarut2 inwe were always told that as witnesses we were "sincere bible students".... carefully examining the scriptures.. yes, we were indeed taught much about the content of the bible, it's history, prophecies etc..... but it was always from one perspective....that of the society.
when the society changed its interpretations, we had to do the same..... so were we really "bible students", or "society students"?.
just a thought.....
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In line with BluesBrother, I remember a time when "extra research" was a prized bragging point of the ultra righteous during a watchtower study. Of course, 99% of that research was to be done in the aid book or similiar, but still it was a trump card.
Now the witnesses are scared to even do research in their own literature, for fear they will stumble on old light. Lol... funny when you think about it. The paranoia of getting out of line is at an all time high.Sad on the other hand though.
The equivalent of the "extra research" comment today is a comment on the illustration in the lesson before the conductor gets to it.
In answer to the OP - The witnesses are not allowed to be bible students. Hell they can't even study 90% of their own literature since it's considered old light.
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Three reasons why I may have to back.
by Crazyguy ini look back over the last two years of my life with all the experiences i have read about here and other places and these are three experiences that stand out to me.
recently in another post a girl relates her experience of being in the borg and her mom literally threw her away by giving her over to the state after she accused an elder of groping her.
two; i met the man that wrote the insight books for the borg and even though he was at the time the brians of the borgs doctines when he faded his family , brother and his kids are shunning him.
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xjwsrock
Do what you got to do man. I'm still stuck in. Still serving. It's been a long road so far and will be still ahead for many of us.
I've been thinking more and more about their child abuse policies. Since people are more motivated to take action by emotion, I think a well-thought out discussion about this subject may be the best way to open people's eyes.
Why doesnt the org alert the authorities about the child molesters in the congregation? If the priority was to do what is right in the eyes of God, what would be the right thing to do here? Isn't it obvious to anyone with a soul that the right thing to do would be to love your neighbor and protect the children. Shouldn't they care about all the potential victims of this perpetrator? Shouldn't that man be on a sex offender list so the community is protected?
It's for some business reason that they keep it hush hush. Business is thus put above the welfare of children - both inside and outside the congregation. Business is put above doing what is right. Would God ever direct an organization to to value business over babies? Hell no.
I wish that you could show your wife that the org values their religion business over her children.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Hang in there. You can pm me anytime.
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Generation Nonsense in today's WT
by Slidin Fast inabraham was part of the 9th generation as a descendent of shem.
yet, their lives overlapped by 150 years.
yep, they were of the same generation!
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xjwsrock
Yeah, go back to the Old Testament to scriptures written in another language and another time to see what Jesus meant by the common everyday word 'generation'.
Makes perfect sense.
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Touching scene from angel-A
by sillygirlforgotpassword ini was going through a pretty rough patch the last couple of weeks after a breakup, a "vacation" spent at my parents, some health scares and other random thoughts the realization i'm not 25 and as toned and consistently fresh faced anymore (feel free to call me shallow because that i am ;).
i fully agree that we aren't to worry about aging, but aging gracefully!
2 weeks at home spent being harassed by my parents for not being up to the spiritual mark didn't help either.
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Zone visit Australia?
by stuckinarut2 inanyone else at this zone visit?.
more higher education bashing, with an embellished "experience"...... more quoting prov 4:18 out of context.. faithful and discreet slave definitions etc..... all the new "understandings" since 2012...... .
we are already in the great tribulation...?.
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xjwsrock
Are you serious?
Did they say that we are in the great trib?
We all knew the day was coming.......but I figured they would keep that one in their pocket for awhile longer.
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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs
by Lady Lee inthw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
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xjwsrock
I know 6 or 7. Loner type people usually but one that I was close to had some mental issues that surfaced occasionally. He went through a crazy manic phase barely sleeping. He came back to the organization and was doing family worship twice a week. The insomnia was what pushed him over the edge I think. I miss him. I don't know if he knew ttatt. I didn't know ttatt myself at the time. I can't help but wonder.