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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Ps , its ok, dont quote and dissect my words, i sincerely dont read your reply usually.sorry chief xxxx
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Adamah,

  It is not applicable, the dog i clearly said, was dumb.

  We are not, we appreciate the parameters of god, his creation and suffering as explained in the bible.

  i cant believe you thought i didnt comprehend where the 'analogy' was going, obviously he was going in the direction of us all being 'dumb' to the mystery of god....wow, new argument!..... I think it is on page one.... But anyway, that is bullshit, god wrote a book..so we ARE informed.

  Such suffering is a contradiction to his ability or his love or his morals as potrayed in the bible.......Have you not been taking notes?

  Keep floggin the horse, but it went to nirvana yonks ago....
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  " Atoms and molecules do not spontaneously form complicated proteins"

  Nobody said they did.

  Miller may not impress you, but thankfully that is irrelevant to science. He proved it was possible, the best you have is "well, maybe it didnt happen like that" .....what an amazing insight...yawn..

  "What i know of nature" ...no comment

  "things tend to break down" ... This is a misunderstanding of thermodynamic laws, try again. We had to apply these equations to biology, in classes BEFORE university, showing how spontaneous formation can be the most energy efficient. Basic science,

  As for creating synthetic life, this is the beginning of amazing cures, tratment, replacement and technology. Mock it in your ignorance all you wish, you have so far failed biology class one, dr craig ventnor was the first human to synthetically create life, what the hell have you or your miserable, backward, ignorant chums contributed to mankind or society? You are so closed and small minded you don't even see how embarassing your comments are!

  electricity?merghhhh so what, just copying zeus and his lightning.....
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  ....here comes the cavalry.

  Nobody in the real world is interested in these thoughts and opinions, they are fart in the star clouds.

  That is earth in a sunbeam as taken by Voyager as it leaves our solar system....

  

  This image makes us all humble, our insignificant significance. But if you are going to have a teeny weeny insignificant thought or spouting online, at least be up to date and in line with what we already know.

  Go back to school, catch up and contribute. Anything else is ignored noise in a huge universe.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

  1. social
  2. current

  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  In the UK brain stem death is how we define death, we look for the clinical signs of the brain being dead.

  Sooner7nc suprised me with what he said about the USA.

  The medical literature seems to be clear that brain death is indeed death as I would expect, though this article admits the difference in appreciation for the term dead between doctors and the public, but not in the medical field. Also some states are ambigous to the level of brain death, they are content to define as dead.

  Not an issue in this case as her brain has ceased to provide lung and heart stimulus and the family. lawyer and hospial have been clear from the outset her brain has died.

  ..... widespread adoption by the states of the Uniform Determination of Death Act—a joint creation of the American Medical Association and the American Bar Association that defines death as either a permanent loss of cardiopulmonary function or whole brain function. Many critics have since argued that this definition is not broad enough: that permanent loss of all higher brain function (“neocortical death”) should be the criterion for death.4 Most authorities, however—from the American Academy of Neurology to the Catholic Church—accept “whole brain death” as one legitimate definition of death.5,6 In short, a consensus has emerged that “whole brain death” is death.

  J Med Ethics 2005; 31 : 641-642 doi:10.1136/jme.2005.011718
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  EOM,

  If you are stll unsure take a peak at these short videos,

  http://www.dnatube.com/video/11928/Natural-Selection-and-Adaptation

  http://www.dnatube.com/video/2649/Understanding-Evolution-by-Natural-Selection

  or get a textbook (don't take offence, its how I learned nobody is born with this knowledge, it is all learned)

  as I said, Campbell and Reece "Biology"

  There is no short cut to understaning this and I assure Perry does not at all comprehend it.
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  Lastly End of Mysteries,

  Check your phone line, Hoyle was proven wrong when we took a photo of the radaiation from the big bang....

  What is it with you guys and science opinion from half a century ago, science is humble it changes with the evidence ! It gets better! Before you think that is a negative, think about it, yes it changes, but once the new evidence is in, it is in! Once you see the earth is not the centre of the solar system, that idea is proven untrue forever!

  

  http://www.space.com/20330-cosmic-microwave-background-explained-infographic.html

  Science is ony useful with the latest evidence, you are quoting decades old opinions.

  This is MY WHOLE POINT.
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  End of Mysteries, this was answered 150 years ago.

  It is a 3 year degree in itself, but you know the answer already… if you sincerely want to know, I have taken time from my exam study to explain….

  Firstly, I did answer that question 'how did it come to be' as that was relevant to the OP. Your new question of is based on a huge misconception, you would probably reach this class about 8 weeks in, just to give you a perspective.

  There is no blueprint for a butterfly, for a human, for a rhino, for a tree. We have DNA evolution mapped out from bacteria to modern time. We can see each progressive development.

  If you don't believe science or this seems confusing as it did to me before I studied it, again let me briefly explain.So abiogenesis explains the formation of basic chemicals into the first living cell. Evolution maps the development from that first living cell to the animals we have today. Guess what, you are in luck, we have done that now. But because you asked the question, specifically, you mentioned the blueprint, you don’t understand the reality of who and what we are where we came from and where we are going.

  Ignore the bible or atheist debate, ignore whether you believe in evolution or not. This is the facts.

  When we dig down in the ground, we go further back in time.The furthest layer down where we find life, we fins ONE cell organism, below that, no life at all. Above the singe cell depth, we find multicellular organisms. Millions of years (higher up we dig) later we start to see multi-celled organisms form basic sponge and coral etc. We keep digging up and all of life slowly, slowly gets more and more complex. You NEVER find complex animals like say rabbits in the single cell layers for example and you won’t find extinct animals in layers above the time they died.

  (Layers, time period and examples of organism development)

  

  This led to us finding billions of fossils at different times on earths planet. You never find a human below the layer we know humans evolved, you don’t find dinosaurs above the layer they died out at and the changes between layers of time are tiny changes. Darwin saw this and said hang on, did those animals that look like rabbits but bigger and with longer legs and bigger jaws become rabbits or did god kill them off and make rabbits of today.Then he asked your question End of Mysteries... What is a rabbit? I.e. What is the blueprint of a rabbit? If rabbits have existed 3 million years and have changed hugely from year one of 'rabbit' to year 3 million, there is no blueprint, it is constantly adapting.

  He then asked, what could power that process?

  He noticed that dog breeders and bird breeders could mimic the changes seen in fossils by SELECTIVE breeding, HUMAN SELECTION, if you want a dog with a short nose, breed two short nosed dogs. Within 3 generations you have a wildly different looking dog. Darwin recognised that with millions of years, animals could change vastly, but if humans didnt do the selection what did? He then realised after a trip around the world, specifically at the Galapagos islands. With animals, the land and weather and environment was selecting which genes survived, he called it NATUTAL SELECTION. A human selected two short nosed dogs to make DNA with a very short nose, well, in Galapagos the birds beak lengths were dependant on where the food was for that bird. There were finches on separate islands, the ones with food hidden in deep trees had longer beaks than the ones with food freely about. The finches who had to eat hard material had stronger beaks.

  

  That is what Darwin wrote about. This is evolution (small changes over time) by natural selection (the enviroment dictating the changes).

  But this obviously is not the DNA we are talking about and they didn't understand DNA then, or that it existed. DNA is passed from generation to generation, it makes mistakes every time, tiny ones, but they can have a large impact. If that mistake is useful, for example a long beak, you will survive better, breed more and that gene will dominate the new population. This was the theory, BUT now we can look at our DNA, as you can imagine, for people who believed in evolution from the fossil record and observable evolution of bacteria, viruses, fly's etc alone, they could make predictions. If we WERE evolving in this manner, we would see it in our DNA.

  

  We do, our ancestors DNA is in our DNA even the interactions with bacteria and viruses (colds and flu) that our ancestors dealt with are in it. Also we no know all the processes that lead to the mistakes and selection of the genes in the DNA.

  So that is how our DNA changes over time. It is called Evolution and this is what Darwin wrote. Go read ‘origin of species’ or a textbook. Now maybe you can answer your own question about a blueprint.

  Think of a human and all our human ancestors, from the earliest mammal to humans today. Or if that is too much, from the homo erectus to humans today. Every stage we developed over time, there is no blueprint for our DNA. In a thousand years our DNA will be different to what it is now.

  I ‘ll end with an example.

  If you get a certain tiny mistake in your DNA your red blood cells, instead of being round are crescent moon shaped. It leads to people living fewer years and in some discomfort. But this is a real phenomenon, its called “sickle cell disease.”

  

  Sickle cell, though disruptive, makes you less prone to malaria, as the malaria pathogen struggles to latch on to the sickle shaped cells. As natural selection would dictate, in regions of the world full of malaria (East Africa) the sickle cell gene is wildly proliferative and dominates the local gene pool because these people live longers, survive and procreate. Natural selection in action!

  But lets carry on with the idea of the blueprint , to see why we dont have one.....

  So, in 2014, you could say that a ‘normal’ , the majority of humans have a round red blood cell. Lets say in 2015 the environment changes, that malaria is rife and kills most of the world. By 2030 the majority of humans have...... sickle cell shaped blood cells. So what is the blueprint DNA ? The one before or after the sickle cell mutation? Being human we like to think it is OUR dna right NOW. But we know it was different to now, in our past too. This is why it is incorrect to say there is a ‘blueprint’ because animals, organisms, are constantly adapting and evolving to the environment.The DNA of early humans was wildly different to humans today.

  So abiogenesis, the formation of DNA and the first cell

  Evolution, the development of that cell into what we see today.

  That is the very BASIC of what we have discovered and know. If you studied it you would see we know this pathway in great detail, hence we can now manipulate genes etc and make a living cell from scratch.

  But we long ago, 150 years ago answered your question end of mysteries. Most people in the world know this stuff, that’s the most embarrassing thing. Being JW's we were fed lot of outdated, minority opinions that fitted in with the narrative of Watchtower.

  You dont have to believe any of this but this is where science is and what it is doing.

  As for our question in regards to your mum, hopefully this explained it. Like I said, this isnt forum debate, these are topics that take 5 years of high school, 2 years of highe education, 3 years of a degree, two years of a masters....before you can then start a PHD in an area and become an expert in that very specific field, that is if you do and pass your year long PHD.
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  To translate your question,

  Science has proven that the universe, over billions of years and with chemical processes going on at random in that time, has managed to make more complex things than evolved apes have managed in 200 thousand years, but to be fair only 150 years with the scientific method and 30 years of computing,

  But yes.... that is correct the universe has managed to form far more complex things than an iphone 5.

  We have a very good idea how it does it, and we have reversed the process with a gross appreciation of the iniverse right back to a billionth of a second after the big bang, whcih we are replicating in a BIG BANG MACHINE we have built.

  This is no secret, but I don't see what you think is so special about this realisation. It certainly does not go anywhere near to a hebrew speaking space man with a beard and a throne.

  I wont repeat myself with regard to codes and language, only to say you are incorrect, science does not say as Perry does. If you can quote me the papers that state as you said, I will look at them for their legitimacy. In my 7 years of study I have not seen this said outside of christian and muslim literature.

  I think you are simply being difficult now I have explained it to you, we label patterns with things we can understand, numbers, letters, words, colours etc. It is a pattern, that is why we noticed it. It is labeled, because we labeled it. For an ignorant (as the word literally means) whistling man to then walk past and point at said labeled pattern and go "WOW LOOK A CODE!" is to not understand what happened before he got there.

  It is intrinsic to how we think, it is efficient for our brains to spot patterns, it uses less processing power than learning or calculating what is going on, fresh every time. Humans are amazing at finding patterns, it is what helped us survive. We look for them everywhere and then when we find them, to be able to discuss them, we label them. This is what you are seeing in the universe Perry. I could be a compute genius and not study biology and be the passer by pointing at the 'code'!

  Ignore me, call me a liar or dumb, or too scared of the ten commandments, anything you like. Quote bill gates, who actually didnt say anything contradictory to any of this, and intepret it as you wish. We will go on answering life's questions, you go back to your scrolls from the desert.
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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  You do realise we could assign a data size to the binary code produced with a falling rock, again for the short memoried 1 = hitting the mountain, 0= midair.

  101010101010101010101010101

  We could monitor one mountain and measure all the tumbling in an hour.... oh 3 terabytes of binary 'CODE'......

  It doesn't mean anything you barn owl!

  I don't think you get it.