Viviane scares me......
Prologos, please don't do it...... astronomy societies are likely to know alot about......astronomy.
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Atheists, here is a 'balls' question ---even for all---
by prologos init is very difficult to knock a ball into a hole (like golf), throw it into a receiver's hands (american football) intercept it and knock it over the fence (american cricket).
or to put a sattelite at the right time at the right speed in the right direction in the right place to have it orbit another body, so :.
what ingenious natural & process is it, than can get 9+ zillions bodies to get into the right orbit simultaniously or sequentially and have them remain there for billions of years?
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The Annointed Atheist on Dogma Debate April 9 @ 6 pm Central
by donny ingood afternoon all,.
i will be visting the dogma debate studio on wednesday, april 9 @ 6:00 pm central time.
let me know if there is anything specific about the jw world that should be mentioned.
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Jealous, I love the show..... I heard him mention a JW coming on soon a couple of episodes back. Have fun.
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Did You Ever Feel Guilty Because You Deserted The JW Religion?
by minimus inonce i left, i never yearned for anything associated with the religion.
i didn't miss their doctrines, their erroneous thinking.
i never felt guilty because i abandoned the religion i was raised in.. i believe the reason for my not feeling guilty is pretty simple.
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They make you doubt your own mind and thinking, they even tell you YOUR heart is treacherous.....(never say that about themselves).....so when you are leaving and you haven't realised that this is all part of the indoctrination, it causes emitions such as concern, doubt and fewr, but the information is readily available to prove you are right in leaving and wrong in staying. Guilt seems the wrong word, I never felt I was doing anything wrong in leaving, quite the opposite... hence my slow decline in answering, doing talks and then preaching..... i felt guilty doing those activities once i knew it was all a lie.
THE RELIEF was immense the night the elders didnt answer ONE of my questions, they went from saying 'this is Jehovah using you to clean his organisation' to within an hour saying 'it is best you dont attend anymore'
I got on my motorbike knowing 25 years was done, ended, I think I always knew it would one day and here it was..... I was smiling as I rode home. The elders by their actions had just proved to me it was all a lie. A con man selling dodgy timeshares to a room full of people.....someone puts their hand up and asks seversl legitimate questions of concern and presents financial data contradicting what he had already said... hecang answers your questions and concerns with evidence because its a lie. so when he says 'shhhh you cant ask those questions!' you know its a lie! Some stay to hear the rest of the salespitch, but when you put your hand uo again and demand answers & he gets his mates to man handle you out the meeting and tells you its best you stay away..... you know they dont have the answers and you have been seperated out to stop others hearing your questions.
This says alot about elders and their own conpliance in the Watchtower game.
But Just as s man leaving such a time share or pyramid sale meeting would leave relieved he had not wasted any more time and got out.... thats how i felt, i find it odd that some feel guilt, that conveys a concern it may all be true. But I understsnd that some leave earlier than I did (fair dues to you) maybe with less proof od it being garbage so doubting themselves.
As for family still in it, I know it is a dangerous, harmfull, mind control group....so I don't feel guilt about showing them they CAN leave and why! By leaving I have seen 7 family members follow me out....it took about 6 years but its fantastic! Some remain in and I dread their stubborness may cost them a lifetime of regret.
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New field service rules coming this summer
by doinmypart innew guidelines for field service coming this summer.
new publication to be released giving new ways of counting time, conducting studies, group activities, etc..
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Like it is difficult.....preaching to a human being....when did it start, when did it stop? That's your time. Anything more is fudging the statistics.
I have been wondering what they were going to do about this, they are slamming the breaks onto the religious organisation, how can they defend the obvious slow down in growth, hours and religious work that is inevitable?
Change the rules on how it is all measured...
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Had a reply for job...
by snare&racket in.
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got a cool job, surgery and emergency medicine in a nice holiday town, super happy :d. .
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great bike roads near this job sooner :D
my plan to get an audi TT in July.......today changed to considering a VFR.
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Atheists, here is a 'balls' question ---even for all---
by prologos init is very difficult to knock a ball into a hole (like golf), throw it into a receiver's hands (american football) intercept it and knock it over the fence (american cricket).
or to put a sattelite at the right time at the right speed in the right direction in the right place to have it orbit another body, so :.
what ingenious natural & process is it, than can get 9+ zillions bodies to get into the right orbit simultaniously or sequentially and have them remain there for billions of years?
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Prologos, no offence but you seem to be enjoying this now.....but you are actually being quite irresponsible and dangerous. False information with unjustified claims not only mislead but muddy the waters of what is actually true. It also dilutes the message of how actually we find out truth today and how it is best to research things. Opinions are not equal and not all worthy of respect.
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EX JW Podcast
by snare&racket ini am setting up a podcast (radio show) where we will cover the issues of jw's, amongst the topics of science, belief and more.. i am letting you guys know because i would like to interact with the forum as we do them, looking for suggestions for topics, looking for guest ideas and also we can mask voies and change names, so interviewing current jw's to help provide people a voice, an outlet for their frustration whilst providing a safety net.
there is no hierarchy, but current elders, bethelites etc that contribute here already will be more than welcome and protected!.
the podcast will be pro science, i will have both atheist and theist co-presenters in the episodes but i can't deny my bias towards evidence and science, but hopefully it should be enjoyable and informative for us all.. i plan for it to be about 2hrs long, maybe an episode a month or every 2 or 3 weeks.
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sorting people to interview for 1st episode. Got several ex jw's including ex elders and pioneer, ex bethelite (me), was looking for a female but looks like got one now. Anyways, keep your ears open, will let you know.
snare x
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Want to know why people accept evolution ?
by snare&racket indo you have questions about or want to understand evolution?
it is a difficult concept to communicate and so if it is not explained well , it is understandable that we would dismiss it.. i sincerely want to talk with people who want to learn more or see what all the fuss is about.
we are all learning and increasing our knowledge all the time and it is good to go over facts with critical eye.. evolution we can discuss, looking at the foundational facts and evidence, one at a time for you to go and check, agree or disagree with and return.. no pressure to accept it, you can decide for yourself, also no mocking etc of what you have to say.. .
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had a busy few days and long shifts, ill write some answers 2moro x
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Did You Ever Feel Guilty Because You Deserted The JW Religion?
by minimus inonce i left, i never yearned for anything associated with the religion.
i didn't miss their doctrines, their erroneous thinking.
i never felt guilty because i abandoned the religion i was raised in.. i believe the reason for my not feeling guilty is pretty simple.
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i felt relief that the guilt was gone, being a JW is to live in perpetual guilt.... Never achieving enough, a list of things you wont ever succeed in or do enough of.........ministry hours, study preparation, contributions, living a lie, natural urges and desires, not being allowed to discuss, question or doubt the gov body....
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Need an Exit Plan Fast!
by kneehighmiah inmy girlfriend cult handlers have gotten to her.
they suggested she should no longer communicate with someone who's thinking isn't in line with jehovah's organization.
we argued and she told me to go hang myself.
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welcome tothe reality of just how conditional the love was, the friendships were.....it was all paper thin.
I am sprry you are experiencing this, don't make yourself unhappy moving away, go where you WANT to be. Say what you need to say to not cause a stir, then slowly stop,going and act normal when you see them but politely decline to discuss your very personal spiritual life.
Anyone saying to anyone 'go hang yourself' is troubled, especially if it is for simply daring to doubt and question 8 window cleaners in Brooklyn she probably can't name. it is all so irrational, illogical and insane....it is a cult.
So calm down a little, take a few moments. Decide what you 100% want in life, including belief system, family, friends, job, area to live in.
Once you know what you want, simply follow your list and do it xxx
you have support here, make sure you come and ask for it when you need it buddy!