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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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Perry, or as you should be known 'Ctrl C then Ctrl V'

Protein folding is a religious cop out. It is the first big assignment I did in university, looking at chaperone proteins and alpha-helix and beta-sheet protein folding. We do know how they fold, but proteins are all so meticulously folded in numerable ways that we cant model them all individually yet. So in strict definition, we do not yet know how all the proteins have been folded. BUT....The issue isn't 'how does this magic occur?' the issue is effort and time and computing power, to analyse it all.

But that is all you have. More god of the gaps, enjoy them while they last.

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Evolutionary psychology?

by Laika in

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i've read a little bit of work from the field of evolutionary psychology, but nearly all of this stuff comes across as pseudo-scientific bs to me.

much of this stuff just seems to me to be a case of preferring a particular human behaviour over another one, and then saying that this is what nature intended with a story about how it 'evolved'.

a lot of evolutionary psychologists also seem to use evolutionary psychology as cover for their misogyny or racism.. i think most of our behaviours are socialised rather than genetic.. i am hardly an expert here however so could, of course, be completely wrong.

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" but nearly all of this stuff comes across as pseudo-scientific bs to me"

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An important difference between atheists and true believers

by Hortensia in

true believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.

atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.

http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).

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Talesin, that comment dissapointed me... elder cofty.....?

I assume you are here because you fell foul to JW entrapment and lies also. What on earth did you mean by that insult, because it applies to us all here. If you were never a JW but a loved one was, you just undermined all the pain and suffering they went through, that all of us went through.

Shame on you for saying that, really.

This thread needs to end. Assuming anything about a religious person or an athiest is ignorant. Pretending both sides don't home awkward personalities is a lie. What else is there to say...

MOVE ON... thread done!

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What are your turn offs in a guy or girl?

by Iamallcool in

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one of them is nose rings/piercings.

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Not caring about how far away a star is.....

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Evolutionary psychology?

by Laika in

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i've read a little bit of work from the field of evolutionary psychology, but nearly all of this stuff comes across as pseudo-scientific bs to me.

much of this stuff just seems to me to be a case of preferring a particular human behaviour over another one, and then saying that this is what nature intended with a story about how it 'evolved'.

a lot of evolutionary psychologists also seem to use evolutionary psychology as cover for their misogyny or racism.. i think most of our behaviours are socialised rather than genetic.. i am hardly an expert here however so could, of course, be completely wrong.

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I have just seen this and I am in a little bit of a rush so forgive me, but the human psyche is a result of chemical releases, released from glands made of cells, made of proteins, made from DNA.

The levels of the chemicals will dictate your behaviour, we know this even in the most crudest form such as depression and seretonin levels.

Psych is a science with much to learn, it is very much early days. But evolution drove the progression of behaviour, I would need you to be more specific as to what you found objectionable, to be able to explain it.

Xenephobia, which led to racism, makes sense, fear of unknown tribes, different genes, a competitor.

Superstition and religion is pattern recognition gone awry.

Once you know the principles, the motivating force is quite easy to predict and work out.

As for proving it, it may be impossible.

Snare

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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You are correct Apog, but in fairness the science is in its infancy and they have homed in on the major chemical interactions. They will move onto the other issues next for sure. These are harder to prove and assess and importantly repeat.

For anyone that rules abiogenesis as a role only for a deity, I would be thinking twice. Though yes, there is processes still to understand.

It is ironic, when we find a gap in our knowledge and fill it, people pop up and announce more gaps, if the motive is scientific precaution, then it is to be taken seriously, if it in ignorance, it is a valuless concern. I don't mean you Apog, it just astounds me that we learn something amazing like this, and then people who have offered nothing say "but what about......"

Snare x

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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Vidiot, we know that evolutionary developments, like the eye evolved in several places, in several species, with no connection to each other, evolution found the same mechaism to solve the same problem. If I remember correctly, the SARS virus, or maybe it was 'swine flu', evolved into existence in 3 different regions. I.e. evolutionary inevitibility is more likely than we think. Because if the enviroment influences a direction, it will likely do it multiple times.

Our problem has always been difficult, saying it would happen in a deep ocean enviroment isn't good enough in science, we have to prove it. Looks like they are on their way now.

Exciting stuff.

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WHAT IS GOING ON IN RUSSIA??

by DATA-DOG in

i hear a lot of stories circulating about jws in russia.

the government is raiding houses for literature, just like the old days.

an eldub was rambling during the wt study about jws in russia.

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I don't want to see anyone hurt or injured or in fear.

There is great irony that Russia has a huge issue with homophobia and yet they point fingers at Watchtower for hate speech due to such issues as homophobia and decades of WT rhetoric about everyone but themselves.

The probelm is you can't spend 100 years calling everyone evil and destined to a lake of fire, then be suprised when it upsets people. The 8 in Brooklyn, could spout this unpleasant nonsense all they wanted in the safety of their Watchtower fortress in a freedom loving western country. Oh more irony! They have denounced every nation on earth, every religion, they have mocked and spat at every religion but their own, never admitting fault, mere 'old light'.

Meanwhile, worldwide, their followers have to take that message door to door!

I just feel sorry for the people who feel obliged to tell the world in 2014 that nature is evil, that democracy is evil, that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and the only refuge is a local windowless building where songs are sung and tripe is regurgitated, new light is consumed without thought and contributions are 'pledged'.

As society evolves, such fundementalist religions will become evidently clear for their harm and abuse, not for society as much as its poor members.

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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ILTTATT: That is what they are doing x

Kate: This is chemistry ! It demonstrates spontaneous interaction in very important metabolic pathways for life, vital processes to life and all without a cell membrane!!!

If you look at a thread I made abour 3 months ago, I mentioned that the scientists can reduce life to chemicals but theny need to find an enviroment on earth where they could spontaneously interact. They have done this now. We even mentioned on my thread that the ocean floor or other enviroments in the universe i.e. other planets, could have done it. This result is very important because we have brought abiogenesis closer to home!

As for amino acids, we have already ticked that box, we are a lot further back than that Kate in reducing life to chemicals spontaneously interacting. Important metabolic processes providing energy and molecules important for early life, form without any coding, without DNA without RNA without a cell, they can do it spontaneously on ocean floors!

So from non-life to life, to simplify we had.... chemicals spontaneoulsy interacting, a membrane of carbohydrates (lipid layer), formation of DNA, RNA, organelles including ribosomes, then amino acids which form proteins which form everything.

This experiement has taken the process back to 'chemicals spontaneously interacting'....yes we have gaps between there and proteins, but we have only done this research for a lifetime at best. Abiogenesis... spontaneous formation of life here on earth, just got more viable.

It makes sense we find it on ocean floor vents because we find mass colonies of bacteria and life, highly evolved to their enviroment, single celled prokaryotes. It is teeming with what we believe early life looked like, what a co-inky-dink !

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Guess What? Elders Can't Get Clergy Insurance !

by metatron in

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http://www.americanprofessional.com/clergy/.

elders don't qualify for clergy malpractice insurance, even if they wanted it.

no divinity school degree.. .

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Now we just need to be able to sue for misinformation and being misled. From medicine, to education to science and world history....they have outright lied and misled.

I would be in a court in a flash.