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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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lol lisa... indeed! It is a scientific discovery, nothing more.

Speargrass, why speculate? Why guess? Why not find out based on answers we have discovered for some time now. Science has answered most of your questions mentioned, already. There is no need to make up an answer. Especially a vague, non scientific, unhelpful answer such as 'consciousness did it'.

If you really want to know why and how cells replicate, go read upon RNA, DNA and meiosis and mitosis. Want to know why plants face the sun, go read up on photosynthesis and the 'z scheme' of energy trsnsfer.

If you REALLY want the answers to your questions, ignoring that the answers are easy to find in 2014 and you haven't sought them, go buy a textbook! The reality is...the answer exists, ask yourself why you don't know it....IF you truly seek it...big IF.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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"What a conundrum oh lord of genocide and murder, you want to burn me in a fiery lake for not believing in you, yet your autobiography....may I add, a terrible read... that you wrote for us, claims all believe in you. Seems a contradiction. You want to now punish me for something you claimed was impossible. Ah well, I'll be the bigger man and be honest....We both know I did not at all believe in you .....and frankly gladly so. You know I examined those words in your holy text and realised they were a description of a tyrant, a spoilt petty being with a finger on the button, happy to press it when he felt slighted by his little creations....women, children, babies and even those in the womb were not spared your rage. Genocide, slavery, sexism, racism, homophobia... all the things I detest. Throw me in the lake of fire, I go gladly, I go a more moral being than you."

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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I have never seen so many replies to a scientific discovery, with nothing but personal opinion on whether there is a god and plenty of "yeah well, you still can't explain 'x' yet..."

Also, I have seen every single one of the repliers misunderstand evolution and abiogenesis on many occasions, yet here they are refuting science. Have some self relflection and humility, my lordy! On top of that, all we hear about from the religious is "Yeah, well what about where life came from?!" When we start to have results, following some very plausible hypothesis....now the issue is "Well you haven't mapped out all the protein folding yet have you!"

You guys DON'T WANT answers, you want darkness for your god's to inhabit. Don't stand in front of the scientific train with your hand held up shouting 'stop in the name of yaweh' ...... it is just embarassing and get's messy.

I have NO issue at all with people believing in god or whatever, you can even deny science, or reality. But don't promote it or come defend your stance and expect no reply! I know what will be next...

Know it all

Millitant

Elitist

Anti-theist

Arrogant

Cold Hearted

etc, etc,,etc, etc, etc......

EVERYONE should have simply said "wow" or "Cool!" to this humble human discovery... and in fact most did.

Ask yourself if you didn't WHY you didn't! This is not opinions being discovered, but FACTS.

You are getting annoyed and upset with FACTS.

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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Perry, or as you should be known 'Ctrl C then Ctrl V'

Protein folding is a religious cop out. It is the first big assignment I did in university, looking at chaperone proteins and alpha-helix and beta-sheet protein folding. We do know how they fold, but proteins are all so meticulously folded in numerable ways that we cant model them all individually yet. So in strict definition, we do not yet know how all the proteins have been folded. BUT....The issue isn't 'how does this magic occur?' the issue is effort and time and computing power, to analyse it all.

But that is all you have. More god of the gaps, enjoy them while they last.

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Evolutionary psychology?

by Laika in

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i've read a little bit of work from the field of evolutionary psychology, but nearly all of this stuff comes across as pseudo-scientific bs to me.

much of this stuff just seems to me to be a case of preferring a particular human behaviour over another one, and then saying that this is what nature intended with a story about how it 'evolved'.

a lot of evolutionary psychologists also seem to use evolutionary psychology as cover for their misogyny or racism.. i think most of our behaviours are socialised rather than genetic.. i am hardly an expert here however so could, of course, be completely wrong.

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" but nearly all of this stuff comes across as pseudo-scientific bs to me"

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An important difference between atheists and true believers

by Hortensia in

true believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.

atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.

http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).

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Talesin, that comment dissapointed me... elder cofty.....?

I assume you are here because you fell foul to JW entrapment and lies also. What on earth did you mean by that insult, because it applies to us all here. If you were never a JW but a loved one was, you just undermined all the pain and suffering they went through, that all of us went through.

Shame on you for saying that, really.

This thread needs to end. Assuming anything about a religious person or an athiest is ignorant. Pretending both sides don't home awkward personalities is a lie. What else is there to say...

MOVE ON... thread done!

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What are your turn offs in a guy or girl?

by Iamallcool in

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one of them is nose rings/piercings.

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Not caring about how far away a star is.....

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Evolutionary psychology?

by Laika in

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i've read a little bit of work from the field of evolutionary psychology, but nearly all of this stuff comes across as pseudo-scientific bs to me.

much of this stuff just seems to me to be a case of preferring a particular human behaviour over another one, and then saying that this is what nature intended with a story about how it 'evolved'.

a lot of evolutionary psychologists also seem to use evolutionary psychology as cover for their misogyny or racism.. i think most of our behaviours are socialised rather than genetic.. i am hardly an expert here however so could, of course, be completely wrong.

snare&racket

I have just seen this and I am in a little bit of a rush so forgive me, but the human psyche is a result of chemical releases, released from glands made of cells, made of proteins, made from DNA.

The levels of the chemicals will dictate your behaviour, we know this even in the most crudest form such as depression and seretonin levels.

Psych is a science with much to learn, it is very much early days. But evolution drove the progression of behaviour, I would need you to be more specific as to what you found objectionable, to be able to explain it.

Xenephobia, which led to racism, makes sense, fear of unknown tribes, different genes, a competitor.

Superstition and religion is pattern recognition gone awry.

Once you know the principles, the motivating force is quite easy to predict and work out.

As for proving it, it may be impossible.

Snare

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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You are correct Apog, but in fairness the science is in its infancy and they have homed in on the major chemical interactions. They will move onto the other issues next for sure. These are harder to prove and assess and importantly repeat.

For anyone that rules abiogenesis as a role only for a deity, I would be thinking twice. Though yes, there is processes still to understand.

It is ironic, when we find a gap in our knowledge and fill it, people pop up and announce more gaps, if the motive is scientific precaution, then it is to be taken seriously, if it in ignorance, it is a valuless concern. I don't mean you Apog, it just astounds me that we learn something amazing like this, and then people who have offered nothing say "but what about......"

Snare x

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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....

by snare&racket in

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spark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.

the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.

it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.

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Vidiot, we know that evolutionary developments, like the eye evolved in several places, in several species, with no connection to each other, evolution found the same mechaism to solve the same problem. If I remember correctly, the SARS virus, or maybe it was 'swine flu', evolved into existence in 3 different regions. I.e. evolutionary inevitibility is more likely than we think. Because if the enviroment influences a direction, it will likely do it multiple times.

Our problem has always been difficult, saying it would happen in a deep ocean enviroment isn't good enough in science, we have to prove it. Looks like they are on their way now.

Exciting stuff.