Wow, now she ....the JW expert witness has now sold them down the river and finally put her conscience and professionalism first, having been shown to be empty in her expertise.
what an amazing process. Shame on her.
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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse
by snare&racket ini am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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Burned out, I sat watching her and felt the same way, when she was shaking her head she was doubtless unprepared for this thorough questioning,
She deserves this level of scrutiny, she has stood in court and called the JWs better than all other international religions, and now she stands in a court, in a country where for 50 years abuse has silently been covered up. Shame on her.
It's always worth thinking about who is paying you as well as how much.....,
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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!
by LostGeneration inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
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This commission needs commending on its research and thorough evaluation of the JW's. They haven't missed a thing so far, be it the power the elders have over people's lives, to the empty words of the published material in comparison to the real goings on in the religion.
The presiding judge is a very sharp man and having felt we would never see the day where all of this came to light, I am thoroughly impressed by him and the other members of the commission.
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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse
by snare&racket ini am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.
also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!
never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.
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I am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it. Also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the JW's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.
I am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in Australia alone! Never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!
She is not a lawyer, but a child abuse expert .....apparently.... and I am appalled by her work and activity having read her conclusions. Again, truly Shameful.
Her conclusions about the JW's for which I was a member for 25 years are so far from reality. it discredits her opinion on anything else she had researched or stated. If she could be so wrong about the JW's then she is simply unreliable.
I can't help but ask, is she that poor an expert or that poor in moral stature?
Thr first rule of science is CRITUCAL APPRAISAL and the first thing you hunt for is bias. She has clearly sold out on her professionalism. The truly awful thing is, she has stood in defence of those that have made child abuse victims suffer more than necessary and in some cases contributed to abuse by covering up and reassigning abusers. Her defence alone being that they publish pleasantries about abuse victims. How shameful! She is supposed to be contributing to improvements in child abuse as an expert not DEFEND those that have made it worse.
i shall be writing to her.
Dr S
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Australian Royal Commission - What can the Governing Body do?
by Listener inas far as i am aware, it's not within the power of the australian royal commission to call as a witness a non-australian.
it is confined to dealing with the jws and child abuse as it is handled within australia.
it is clear from the testimonies so far that it is the branch office that gives the elders direction as prescribed ultimately by the governing body.. there are two witnesses who have been called up to attend the rc from the branch office in sydney, one is rodney spinks from the service desk and the other is vincent o'toole, overseer of the legal department.
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You are forgetting the JW mindset....
"Satan's world gave US advice on how to run the organisation!"
It won't happen.
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How long will all the confidential material be available?
by C0ntr013r inthis is certainly a gold mine of information:.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
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This will contribute to a powerful documentary one day, especially as now the elders book and letters were made public, they can be reported on.
Archive, archive, archive! The lies and the evidence have arrived!
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Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?
by Wasanelder Once inare you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?
do you feel personally vindicated by it?
do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?
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I wouldn't have left the JW's had I not know for sure it was all lies, yet 25 years as a JW shows how fallible we can be. To sit and watch this is very empowering, we were right to leave, I don't feel ashamed as I did when seeing such reporting whilst a JW, I feel no urge to look for defences and loopholes in the testimony and evidence in order to appease my doubts and concerns. The eldears look like simpletons and rarely even comprehend the question they are being asked. Certainly they have no understanding of the commissions goal in looking at the 'judicial system' within the religion with the aim to see if it is dangerous, the whole thing is abhorrent and there is no doubt it feels good to have left it behind,
For me, the recurring thoughts are centred on respect for Barbara Anderson and the steps she made. I wonder how far behind we would be without her and silent lambs. 15 years ago she initiated this huge exposure and I can't imagine how necessary it was for those that have suffered sexual abuse in the religion that simply didn't care, wasn't allowed to care! Being a JW was hard enough, imagine suffering in the hands of judicial elders also,
What angers me the most is their deceit, every time it comes up that they 'counselled' the abused on discussing the absuse with members of the congregation, we all have no doubts at all what that refers to. I have been a part of such an elders meeting and privelages were taken off the abused because they had discussed it with friends. This is no loving or caring arrangement, it is aggressive and tactical in order to gag the abused. The concern has always been for the brand Jehovah's Witness and nothing more. Proof of this, is that after 100 years of lies, deceit, theological and financial scandals and worst of all rampant child abuse, the brand has now changed.... JW.ORG
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Child abuse a sin not a crime to JW's
by snare&racket inthis australian investigation is astounding to watch.. the elders clearly don't see child abuse as criminal, if a jw confessed to murder, the police would immediately be called.
yet child rape is a spiritual issue..... ridiculous.. this is what happens when 7 window cleaners lead a bunch of dangerously loyal, ignorant middle aged men ...... in managing 7 million people..
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Just finished watching them all......
I'm astounded and ashamed.
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Child abuse a sin not a crime to JW's
by snare&racket inthis australian investigation is astounding to watch.. the elders clearly don't see child abuse as criminal, if a jw confessed to murder, the police would immediately be called.
yet child rape is a spiritual issue..... ridiculous.. this is what happens when 7 window cleaners lead a bunch of dangerously loyal, ignorant middle aged men ...... in managing 7 million people..
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This Australian investigation is astounding to watch.
The elders clearly don't see child abuse as criminal, if a JW confessed to murder, the police would immediately be called. Yet child rape is a spiritual issue..... Ridiculous.
This is what happens when 7 window cleaners lead a bunch of dangerously loyal, ignorant middle aged men ...... In managing 7 million people.
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Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?
by stillin ini'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.
or something along that line.
i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?
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I'm amazed an adult with intelligence is asking this.