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  Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

  by Isambard Crater in

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  that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

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  Yet more JW stories with no evidence...... so 1980's
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  World History: Time Line / Synchronological Charts

  by darkspilver in

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  2. bible

  for those that haven't seen them yet - and they don't seem to have been posted here yet - some might be interested in the following two charts:.

  the histomap: four thousand years of world history - relative power of contemporary states, nations and empires.

  a vertical chart showing relative world powers and events over 4,000 years, chart made in 1931. link to the full 2,097 x 9,554 3.68mb chart: http://imgur.com/r/infographics/xrrpg6p.

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  I remember posting few years back, very useful!

  it was odd, some didn't get the relevance
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  "Even if this wasn't the truth, I would still stay. This is the best life to live..."

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was recently told this by a jw family member when trying to get through to them.

  does this quote indicate that maybe such ones have considered that the jw's may not have the truth after all?

  or is that just my wishful thinking?

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  If it's not the truth but you will deny life saving treatments to your children because it's a good way to live... because several blokes in Brooklyn decided this the last century.... then you are far from appreciating the alternate lives available.

  How can one defend going to people's doors trying to convince them of something that isn't true, but you feel will be good for them? That would be outrageous!

  With the JW religious denomination having the lowest wages and least educated members internationally (Pew study) alongside disturbing levels of paedophilia and decades of abuse risk, where is this 'good way to live'? Even there very own GB member told the Australian judge in the child abuse review case, live streaming to the world, that things were not good enough, safe enough for these kids in the JW's.

  Therre are plenty of other belief systems that suggest, encourage or require clean living too, without so much known consequence/ harm to ones life.

  Then there is the anecdotal evidence we have all seen, the stress and burn out of an uneducated group of people, striving to survive financially whilst also attempting to overcome perpetual guilt and spiritual demands. The congs were full of depression, stress and burn out. Bethel was, more so!
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  Post Convention Euphoria

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a plethora of convention photos on my instagram this morning.

  (a lot of my jw friends have forgotten i'm on their followers list) .

  smiling faces standing next to convention posters with comments like 'nope, i'm not giving up.

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  Keep saying it's the best life ever.......

  keep saying you won't give up.......

  Keep saying the end is nigh.......

  Whatever helps them get through the day, I wish them well .....but it all smacks of brain washing, indoctrination and taught self reaffirmation.

  When your life is the best it can be, when, the end of the world is actually taking place ..... you have no need to say so, it just is... and the hash tag doesn't help.

  i feel so sorry for the lives and potential they are unaware they could have lived. For those beyond the years of life altering changes in mind, not young enough to start life over and pursue their dream of being an 'x' or achieving 'y' .... for those people I feel sincerely hashtag sad.

  They are basically vocalising to the world...."Please don't let all this be a waste of my time, my life!" ... I know because I did it, I felt it too.
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  How smart were the ancients?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. current

  growing up as a jw, i always thought the ancients were scientific morons who knew next to nothing.

  ashamedly, i used to run around citing isaiah 40:22 as proof of the bible's 'divine authorship' because it talked about "the circle of the earth".

  as though this were somehow an unknowable before spaceflight.

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  Pretty damn smart..... JW world history is offensive and without doubt knowingly misleading.

  Ancient Computers

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

  Ancient Maths and Physics (measuring the circumference of earth)

  https://owlcation.com/stem/How-Did-the-Ancient-Greeks-Measure-the-Circumference-of-the-Earth
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  Rookie exJW Question

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.

  every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.

  i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.

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  Google "Rand Cam Watchtower"

  You will see US government documents proving that WT owned a NAVY military company.

  My best friend figured I was lying and wrote to bethel, they sent him (via the elders) a reply indicating they owned it for years without knowing. He wasn't allowed a copy of their reply. By this time I had left, he went into a major depression.

  i spoke to finance experts who said WT were lying. Nobody owns a company without knowing it, obviously....
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  JW Parents and kicking out their children

  by NJ501 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it a common practice for jw parents to kick their children out of the home, if the child doesn't want to be a jw.

  (even though their not disfellowshipped they will still get kicked out for not going to meetings etc.??).

  do other religions encourage kicking family members out this as well?

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  The number of JW kids homeless, living with other families or partners in their teens is ridiculous. When growing up,I thought nothing of it. Now I am ashamed!

  Teenagers get married, have kids, take on church roles in the JW's and these are humans still 'being baked', still incomplete with the frontal cortex still in development, vital to decision making, reasoning and consequence consideration.

  I'm 36 and only now settling down to a serious life and future, to think my friends getting married at 18 or 19 even at 21.... Looking back I'm so shocked and saddened.

  For some reason, JW families love doubling down with the threat of ousting a child from the family home. Myself and my brother were booted out and homeless many times for pathetic reasons. For the husband/father it is a pathetic act of machismo and badge of loyalty to the org .... a desperate cry of "make me an elder look what I'm willing to do" and for the crying mother it's a test in how brainwashed she is to deny every ounce of nature in her body so as to reject her offspring and kick it out the house,

  Raise a generation of people on the belief that Armageddon is coming and rightly so, that all adults and children 'of age' will die and rightly so... if they don't obey! You end up with people who will coldly, without hesitation, see their child homeless and independent if they don't follow the JW world perspective,

  I think of all the teens and people I knew who left or got kicked out back when I was a JW and now I have only the deepest admiration and sympathy, what brave, strong, free thinking individuals.

  I heard of a young woman in her mid teens being kicked out the family home for being unruly. A relative of mine saw her sleeping in a bus shelter. There had been a big argument, she had claimed there was abuse in the family. The father had proudly told people how he had used her like a mop, dragging her across the floor to boot her out,. The JW opinion of her was awful, they didn't see a child in need, they saw a trouble maker. I lost my shit when I heard about this girl (I don't know her &I have never met her) and some of my family (who were in but now out and feel differently) were defending the parents decision. The brain washing in my sibling had never been so dark than when she tried to,compute how a child in need was at fault. A cult can really dehumanise all involved, the victim, the parents and the onlookers.

  It's a dangerous and toxic place..... get out and get your kids out.
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  BBC News "The ex-Jehovah's Witnesses shunned by their families"

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  bbc news website has this linked on front page.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990.

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  BBC News website has this linked on front page.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990
  
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  I spent many years pondering this.

  My decision came on a very simple realisation; disfellowship, disassociate, or to be marked ... these are JW terminology, they are all JW doctrine, they are all part of the rules and regulations within the JW game.

  I refuse to play along with their game anymore. To disassociate is to legitimise their rules, processes, doctrines....

  It's all insignificant playground BS.... so just wipe it off your shoes and walk away.
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  Ironically....

  i had this discussion and I said... if there is a god who personifies love I have no doubt that I will be fine at Armageddon because I know my heart, my motives and how I live my life. I said, if my own family wouldn't think I deserved death then how could a just god?

  This had an unusual reaction, my sibling very angrily said... "but if I spend decades going to meetings and in the ministry and you don't, that wouldn't be fair for you to survive Armageddon!"

  This says it all...

  He immediately realised what he said, it wasn't about sovereignty, love, justice, it was actually very unloving, judgmental and illogical.

  i also reasoned that I no longer feel comfortable at the idea of everyone on earth perishing and that I would be opposed to a person/leader/God that did it. I explained that I no longer wish to have a wooden cabin in paradise at the cost of billions of people now living dying.

  Beautiful cabins in the woods as per WT propaganda, exist now and if I want one that badly I can earn it NOW by working hard. To daily pray that those people who own that land now die so I can go build my own cabin there for free ...would now shame me. I remember JW's regularly picking out the nice houses in the local community that they wanted to one day steal after everyone dies at Armageddon.... how shameful.

  Who wants to survive a global genocide on the side of the killer?

  Why would they support and pray for a genocide just because they fear being part of it?

  Why would a global genocide be appropriate just because a deity says so?

  As Hitchens said of the God that would ask you to kill your ownly son on a mountain ... you don't bind him, take him up the hill and sharpen the knives... you tell the God to F Off and Suffer the consequence! ...... any alternate response is that of an unfit parent or human.