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  Who designed cancer?

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  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  “With a perfect immune system, you would be able to ward off any disease.”

  but after a bit of education...

  " I did not mean the perfect immune system will prevent all types of cancer."

  Yeah my answers have not really been for the benefit of you, I mean no offence, but it was for others that have read your claims. To say we agree to disagree is to claim the issue is 50/50 in each of our favour. But that is not the case. Your ideas are based on feelings and a theory based on your belief in the Jewish deity. I am defending scientific investigations.

  But lets agree to accept not everyone respects scientific method. It would prehaps be fairer when you next claim to have a scientific approach to life, to state that your version of scientific method does not include "S ystematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses." This being how the rest of the world defines scientific approach.

  I wish you a happy holiday, and much human love and compassion, truly I do ;) x

  Snare X
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  Natural Killer cells do indeed attack cancer cells. But this is a HUGE oversimplification.

  The point we are making is that all cancer requires multifactoral malfunction. The immune system, the cell proliferation mechanism, the tissue degeneration proteins, angiogenesis for nourishment... all of these go wrong for a cancer to succeed. Its a very complex and random event. However despite requiring all these systems to malfunction, cancer exist due to gene mutations occuring billions of times a day. Its the equivelant of being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, wearing the wrong clothes and saying the wrong thing. But despite the small chance.. it occurs regularly as genes are read wrongly so often. So who designed all this ? A disgusting cun* of a god? ......Nah we know how cancer came about.

  Fixing the immune response by prehaps increasing NK cell efficiency does not rid the world of cancer.

  You are mistaking the fact that immunity is involved with the misunderstanding that immunity is the cause and means of stopping it.

  Please stop trying to asert this as I dont believe you think this. Its totally untrue.
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  botchtower.....

  yes indeed you are right, but the context was Vidqun stating that cancer could be fixed by a perfect immune system as cancer comes from viruses.

  You have correctly mentioned a virus that can initiate a specific type of cancer. Smoking causes cancer but it not the mechanism for cancers. You cant say, if we get rid of cigarettes we stop cancer. On top of all that, cancers are nothing more than a cell cycle that is malfunctioning as i explained. Many things including UV light, viruses, irritants etc can initiate that malfunction. Vidqun's claim that a perfect immunity, to stop viruses, would stop cancer was the point i was refuting.
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  Please dont misunderstand me guys,

  I respect you all and your opinions, I hope my passion does not get confused for distain or lack of respect. If I have been off-hand I apologise. We have all suffered enough under authoritive bullies, I would hate to be considered another.

  Vidqum - please stop posting wikipedia articles that are nothing to do with our conversation. It just speaks volumes of your own inability to voice your conclusions. (no disrespect and I'd still buy you a pint.)

  All apes have one extra set of chromosomes than humans. If we share a common ancestor this is an issue! Did we lose a set or did they gain a set? When we checked, ALL the great apes had the extra pair, so likelyhood was, somwhere we lost a set. But how? Well chromosomes can fuse together. We looked and we found the missing pair fused in our second chromosome. All of this came about based on the pre-requisite that we developed from the same ancestor. So did god fuse those chromosomes to make us think we evolved from a shared ape ancestor in order to test our faith...... or did we evolve alongside apes?
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  Talking of consciousness,

  The society used to big up how unique humans were by saying animals did not think, did not have emotions etc. This was only in the 80's, of course they provided no evidence.

  Any dog owner will tell you how nonsensical this is. Nevermind zoologists that witness monkeys making tools, birds problem solving, depression in animals that lose an offspring, bees that communicate etc etc etc....
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  snare&racket

  Tec,

  Yes life could evolve under different circumstances. Read up on silicone life forms.
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  Vidqun,

  Been as you only a day ago claimed ridiculous things about medicine, your sudden increased knowlege in the area is odd.

  Of course you are simply reading online and typing it here. You have not answered one thing at all, but just written two paragraphs on immunology. Ironically, information that we have come to know from the same scientific process that brought us evolutionary evidence.

  "I believe there is a difference between evolution (into a new species) and adaptation (adapting to new circumstances, however remaining part of the same species)."

  What is the difference? What evidence led you to this belief ? Do you really not believe that with time the changes can be incrementally be so considerable that the organism becomes a different species? Look at dogs , all stem from one type, selected for breeding by men...they have such a wide variety in size and features. This only took a few thousand years. Over millions of years much is possible.The term natural selection is just to clarify that the enviroment does the selecting (not literally) rather than a human breeder. E.g. if an enviroment gets colder, an animal that by freak mutation has a thicker coat will dominate the gene pool.

  Species is a human definition by the way, its nothing more than semantics.

  What is your opinion on Neandethals? There DNA says they are not human, yet they communicated, had tools, clothing, trade, jewelery, homes etc.

  What about homo erectus? What about...... ok ill leave it there. But be honest, they do not add up in the biblical story. All of these species had sickness and disease. What about the human remains from hundreds of thousands of years ago.. they were no different to us buddy.

  I know you dont like talking about dinosaurs that lived for 150 million years, 60 million years ago. But how do they fit into the plans of god?
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  Sorry Vidqun,

  It took me a moment to realise the point you were trying to make.

  You have made a mistake. The article you posted is simply listing all the cell types of the body a virus cell can infect. Some of which are cells used in immunology. You are mistaking the fact an article has the word virus and immune it as supporting your strange ideas about physiology. Viruses infect immune cells, surely you realise the weakness in your argument ?

  Just explain to us what the immune system currently fails to do, that you think god will change to make it better. #

  I assume you have not really thought this out, as it still leaves us with the issue of diseases roaming about designed by someone... (not true - we know how they evolved step by step.)
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  snare&racket

  tec you make an intersting point, please take the time to read and answer me this...

  Do you know how evolution works? It depends on error. Evolution depends on genetic mutation, i.e. the protein reading the dna code making mistakes (among other similar means) this provides diversity in genes and a means for organisms to develop mutations that may prove advantageous to their enviroment. The very same process creates disease and illness.

  So here is the obvious question, you cant have evolution without disease..... how can god be behind it all ? The biblical story doesnt fit.
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  Who designed cancer?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing i regret, is not listening to the questions in my head whilst a jw.

  one i didn't ask until years after leaving was....who designed disease?

  of course the first thing to realise is the complexity of disease, the histology, pathology and aetiology.

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  snare&racket

  I am laughing hard. keep the faith brother.

  What are those subjects? They are not degrees? Have you done modules as part of a college course of some kind?

  Spending an afternoon in a Darwin exhinition is impressive for someone like yourself, i sincerely commend you for it. However its the equivelant of going to a race track and then debating mechanical engineering. Pick up a book...

  Once again what is your specific issue with Evolution?

  What was the relevance of the wiki article? (I prefer Janeways immunobiology to the internet btw)