Posts by snare&racket

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

Everybody wants to be the person with the *special* information..... conspiracy theories tickle the ego, "I know something you don't know! something BIG!"

Hence we were eager to believe a unique message that made us 'special'. In reality the special message changes wildly over time, which puts perspective on the message we were given.

The 'truths' I was told in the 80's are now 'old light', or to the un-brainwashed...no longer the 'truth'. So that special feeling of having special knowledge, was nothing more than .........a feeling. The actual knowledge, is now considered valueless and incorrect. Man, they even edit it all out the old literature or have them glue edited paragraphs over the older ones.

New light! what a simple, unscriptural and yet effective lie! As if god would lie or decieve or allow mistakes to prevail at all! That would negate the right to punish people that left who recognised the numerous errors and wrong information. The idea of coming out of a cave and not being blinded by light works as a story,, but not in respect to what it is supposed to represent i.e. god providing information. Of course he could provide correct information all at once! He supposedly did, the bible! To claim what 8 men think about who the king of the north is and his significance has developed over time as god believes is appropriate ....is just a shit excuse for being wrong numerous times! 8 men cant decide what 'generation' means and they blame god for keeping them in the dark ....until now lol...until they change its meaning AGAIN.

it is laughable and again I cant believe I fell for it! How ridiculous!

But it felt good to be TOLD we were getting special NEW information. The blood brochure in the 80's specifically says 'no blood fractions' but 20 years later when new light says 'god has lovingly allowed us freedom to choose blood fractions' is met with "wow" and people saying"look at us progress as s religion!". It all makes sense in that regard, they sold us a feeling and we bought into it. The WT appeals to our ego's and human wants, human needs. Without an ounce to show for anything they promise in 150 years.... it is amazing people fall for it. But they do. People even DIED for what is now..old light.

How shameful!

Just as JW's are willing to think that the billions of religious people, not JW's can be so convinced yet so wrong.... it says much about their self reflection and need to believe that they NEVER consider their own vulnerability to make the exact same error as the muslims, catholics, protestants, hindus, buddhists...

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Don't You Think It's Odd That "Jehovah" Was Invented By A Catholic Monk?...

by minimus in

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and that jehovah's witnesses are proud to use that name?.

snare&racket

700 years after Jesus, the first earliest mistake was seen.

The Jews used to read the OT out, the sentence YHWH means "he causes to become".

The hebrew word for lord was adonai.

In the OT, these were the two main penned, references to god in the text. No name at all.

The Jews became mystical about refrences to god, so would not say any of the terms reffering to their god out loud, spexifically YHWH. So when reading the OT, in front of others they would say adonai or other terms instead instead.

So in early manuscripts it can be seen YHWH with the vowels for adonai below it, to remind the reader to say adonai, IF reading aloud.

Skip to 700ad, nearly a thousand years after jesus, and copyists assume that the old hebrew scrolls with YHWH and aoa written beneath it, maybe should me mixed together to make god's name. Like it was some sort of code.

So YHWH and adonai's vowels were mixed. It starts as YaHoWaH, over hundreds of years and the introduction of latin it became JaHoVaH (the YHWH simply replaced with latin alphabet JHVH).

So for a few hundred years the name was used in hymns, bibles etc. Then, in recent history, when they found all the old scrolls and realised what had happened with the copying and insertion of the mashed together YHWH and aoa written below it, the Catholics embarassingly removed the totally made up name JaHoVaH from all their bibles etc, replacing it back go adonai or YHWH.

So cut to the 1930's and an ignorant man in Brooklyn starts pondering who this 'JaHoVaH is in all the old bibles and hymns...' silly muppet jumped the gun and before you know it, they name the religion after a copying mistake.

The most embarassing thing is, they know what gney have done now. At the start of the greek interlinear it says, the name has been continued because it is a popular rendition.

What kind of reason is that AND why didn't I ever read or see any of this, all the while they had us telling people, only we use gods name!

What is worse, adonai and YHWH is obviously ancient Hebrew. The Watchtower society alone insist on exchanging all the greek terms for lord and god etc with Jehovah, for no reason at all. This is SO deceptive, it could not have been in the NT because it was a different language .....AND with thousands of years seperating the OT and NT. Of course as well as that, Jehovah is in NO old mansucripts of the NT and lastly.....as I explain above, it is not even a legitimate name.

snare x

p.s. It is a real eye opening thing to show a JW. "Do you know where the name Jehovah comes from?"

most Jw's are very proud, they will say yes, ask them to pen the tetragrammaton. Most will rememebr it as YHWH. Then ask them what it means. "He causes to become" or "He does as he wills" etc. Now ask what adonai means in hebrew? Remind them it is LORD. Now simply ask them to add the voewls from adonai to YHWH. Then say change the Y to a J and the W to a V for the latinisation.

It is a powerful thing to show them. Then explain it as the copying mistake it is, reinforced and used eventually by a catholic monk that bought into it 1500 years after Jesus died.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

snare&racket

prologos, never has someone tyoed so much whilst understanding so little. It isn't an insult, it is a plea to halt doing it.

Such talk is how con men, cults, pseudo scientists talk. I would ignore it, had I not witnessed it be so dangerous.

Please stop it, that is all. You talk of well understood mechanisms as if they are a mystery to us. I am afraid that is a personal issue to you alone. A library card would ix your dilemma. Though I am aware, woo, pseudo-science and made up b.s. is easier to generate or consume than years of reading and reserach.

For anyone that takes his comment seriously, please examine them thoroughly. They make no sense whatsoever, what he writes has no correlation with his conculsion. If you don't understand the words he uses, be assured neither does he. I do understand them and he makes no sense at all. But do not take my word for it either, simply examine it yourself.

Snare x

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

xkhan , of course, don't worry about credit. But do me a favour, fix up my terrible grammar and spelling! lol

snare x

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

Thanks for all your comments.

This perspective explains so much, of course NOBODY wanted to talk to us, wanted our literature! Of course the growth is shamefully low, representing about half of the JW's kids staying and getting baptised and nothing more. What is on offer is utter madness!

So you have been working in the factory/shop/garage/farm all week. You sit down for lunch on sunday and put on a good film to relax...

Then....KNOCK KNOCK.....

You ignore it.....

KNOCK KNOCK....you get up and answer the door...

"Hello, we are just asking your neighbours and yourself whether you would like to live forever on a paradise earth?"

OMG......we were batshit crazy !!!!!

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Final post I can't come to this forum anymore!

by hoser in

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i have come to the conclusion that posting here and visiting this site is not healthy for me anymore.

i just get angry and upset when i read all the stories of injustice and corruption that go on in the jehovahs witness religion.

they are true no doubt, as i have personally experienced many injustices and abuses in my life from being a witness.

snare&racket

Good man, I agree, it is a healthy move we all will take in time. Go back 10 years on the forum and all those people are names not recognised, all moved on.

It does feel like time lost to WT, being here. Though I am sure your words and thoughts have helped those that left, were leaving. Then there are the invisible thousands who read this site in fear.

We will be replaced by more that leave soon enough.

Enjoy your life, forget about the whole damn thing, the best you can.

snare xxx

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LIVE WEB CAM

by The Searcher in

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an excellent live webcam in the highlands of scotland, monitoring a breeding pair of ospreys - beautiful birds of prey!.

one chick already hatched, with two more eggs being cared for.. http://www.rspb.org.uk/reserves/guide/l/lochgarten/abernethyvideo.aspx.

snare&racket

live web cam of a couple of birds.........

DOH !

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

snare&racket

woo is me.......

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

snare&racket

Kate, Viv is a real smart, real nice person. Her downfall is that she doesn't get personal or smartarsey (like me) so her posts read as succinct short replies and people assume a sarcastic, patronising tone when reading her harmless, short comments. It is quite bizzare to watch, she will simply ask the obvious and be called names....by adults ....parents of children.... for simply stating the obvious.

I have seen the theists bully the hell out of her, unlike anyone I have seen bullied here. She is a tough woman and has said nothing and done nothing but continued to give succinct, accurate replies.

You did make a comment I didn't like, a.ong the lines of how she was still very Watchtower, in her approach. This is the ultimate offensive comment here, for obvious reasons. I truly don't think it was warranted. Come on Kate, you are a good lass too, no need for all of this,

I assure you, I could learn so much from Viv, she is SUPER smart, give her a break and look up what she writes. She is 100% not a bullshitter.

Snare

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

behave, it was a jumbled mess, with flinching moment of clarity.... but ya'll get the point!

Keep Byron Bay warm for me Julia, I'm a comin'