Posts by snare&racket

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The Best Ex Jehovah's Witnesses and Apostate Jokes

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.facebook.com/jwjokes.

http://exjehovahswitnessesjokes.yolasite.com/.

poking fun at the wacky world of the jehovah's witnesses cult.

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Why did Jehovah cross the road?

To kill some people in a bad way...... also to buy some beans.

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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?

by baltar447 in

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on one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.

without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.

they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.

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I can't help but think that anyone that becomes a GB member has to turn a blind eye to serious wrongdoing at the top. He of course admitted as much in bis book. He ignored much for a long time, watched people suffer for a long time. He even had a hand to play in rules he knew hurt people.

We have to remember Franz was 'anointed', he claimed god had personally communicsted to him that he was special, that he was going to heaven.

This I can never respect.

But I will always stand for someone who puts their conscience above all else. He gave it all up, became an enemy to the whole organisation, because he eventually had let to much go, he could not pretend, could not lie anymore. He stood by what he felt was true.

This I do respect.

It is a difficult question you ask. He had a part to play in me leaving, but being an atheist, I believe there was no god to tell him he was special or anointed.

So I am left with just another religious man who tells untruths.

Tough question.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

snare&racket

I think thousands of years ago, they assumed there was a first man and woman, makes sense, you can't have people without an original man and woman.

Of course this is not correct in reality.

How did these people come to be? Well god made them from the earth. Then he interacted with them so that they came to life. He used his spirit to breathe life into them.

Dead people don't breathe, thousands of years ago, it would be logical to assume life is connected to breathing. Remember they had no concept of oxygen, celluar respiration etc .... it was just something humans and animals did,until they died.

All of this ignorance led to this idea of god using a force to introduce breath into inanimate forms to become alive.

I have no opinion on its use today or whether it will survive as a term.

I do think that whilst there are people that believe a spirit exists, that it helps us breathe....... we have a lot of work to do.

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Right Wing growth in UK and Europe.

by snare&racket in

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anyone else finding it troubling?

anyone feel it represents their views?.

is it being reported in usa/australia etc?.

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Unless it is justified splash....

Like Farage's assumptions about Romanians....

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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Is that a question prologos?

Respiration is very different to breathing, so applying spirit now to respirination, is to take it down yet another tangent.

I haven't seen so much.... mental gymnastics and wild nocturnal stabbing...for some time here.

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There is no Santa Claus , no Easter bunny , and NO PARADISE!

by stuckinarut2 in

witnessing yesterday, i had a few little ones in the group chattering away excitedly to me about the things they look "forward to in the paradise":.

"i'm going to have three horses, a big house and lots of pretty flowers etc".

after i left, it hit me "like a ton of bricks"!......this is no different to the way that kids "in the world" believe in a santa claus, easter bunny, tooth fairy etc.... then they wake up when old enough and realise that it was all lies...make believe....stories etc, all told to them by parents and older ones!

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It's funny how they want things they could have now..... if their parents had pursued careers and made opportunities for themself.

Don't get me wrong, some people will have a much harder time than some to succeed.

But ANYONE can achieve enough to afford a nice house, flowers and a couple of horses. How sad that they believe the way to get it is working for free on behalf of Watchtower.

Doing your homework and working hard in school will bring that stuff sooner...... as in ...it WILL happen if you pursue it.

Unlike a paradise earth!

Also, who died so that you could take their land in the paradise? To house your horses, your plants and flowers and your wooden house?

JW's will talk of murder on the news as senseless tragedy... yet pray for the day people die and that they can take their land for their own.

What about the family and children who died and lost that land? Because they simly didn't believe......

How is that not a tragedy?

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Who was the best batman?

by FL_Panthers in

it seems that batman has been portrayed by more actors than any other superhero.. who do you think has played the best in the role of bruce wayne/batman?.

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FL, granted he played playboy bruce well.... but Batman (here I go) has several sides. The batman, bruce wayne, the playboy bruce wayne, then somewhere is the real charachter under it all. Clooney did one element quite well.

I am totally biased, I was 10 years old when I saw Batman The Movie..... I was in awe. I still think JN was the hest Joker too. Batman Returns is ok too, but then they went dooooown hill...."FREEZE!"

The new Batman trilogy is fantastic, but there is something about it that just isn't Batman for me.

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How do you study? What are your methods of memorizing big amount of text?

by will-be-apostate in

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i'm having an exam in mineralogy in 20 days and need to learn 120+ pages of content.

i've learned a part of it so far.

i'm just curious how did you/do you study?

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Like Scott, I also studied at night.

I spent the last 6 years at my desk or in the latter years in the 24hr medic library at the hospital, until 2-3am

There is just so much information to consume. There were days I studied for 16 hours straight. But on average, I would do 9-5 am on the wards, 7pm-2pm in library. Revision days off, I would do 11am until approx 2am.

I could never sleep before an exam, so I always studied the night before, all night. I don't advise it, I just couldn't sleep.My last exam week in Medicine included 4 exams. Monday to Thursday. With no revision time off. I slept saturday, then not until the Thursday afternoon.

I must admit, I am glad these days are over. It was an unpleasant, stressfull time near exams. Also the cost of failure grew exponentially, the nearer I got to the end, so the pressure increased. I couldn't do the last 6 years again, but I am so glad I did it....

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

snare&racket

The level of hydrogen ions in the blood (itself an indicator of how much co2 there is in our blood) drives the diaphragm and the muscles in the thorax (chest) to expand and contract, adjusting the volume and therefore the air pressure inside your lungs, thus air will enter or leave based on the internal air pressure. If someone loses that drive they hyperventilate, so we give them a bag to breathe with, they then consume co2 and that drives their breathing again. People assume oxygen levels drive breathing, but it is actually the level of co2 in the blood. (unlesss you have copd).

Oxygen molecules (made in stars) will go via diffusion from low concentrstion to high concentration, just as all things do.

So oxygen will enter the blood (low concentration) from the air (high concentration) and likewise for the exact opposite reason, CO2 leaves the blood (high concentration) for the air (lower concentration).

Our lungs have a region of sacs called alveoli, in their lining that interact with the putside air and the body's blood vessels carrying blood along the lining of the lungs. This is where the transfer called diffusion happens.

Breathing is very mechanical, it happens in various animals, in various ways... it is all explained and done so without invoking a gap for 'spirit' whatever that is by your own definition, understanding, interpretation.

There is no mystery or magic. Where exactly in this process is the spirit and why call it the spirit instead of Oxygen atoms, made in a star? I assume you don't think spirit is made in stars? Why is oxygen spirit, why not helium, gold, carbon? You must admit, what we once weee told as believers has been left wanting by evidence!

I am confident I know where this comes from, you are trying to make genesis fit what you can see around you, what has been learned by science.When god breathed spirit into Adam.... maybe consider that your evidence suggests this is untrue, but was how ancient peoples assumed life began when creating genesis stories in their cultures. It is not difficult to see how they came to such conclusions in the ignorance of humankind 4000+ years ago.

Because sadly, there is no gap to squeeze spirit in. We understand the process well.

Also, if you now retreat 'spirit' to the initiation of life, please remember we have created synthetic life in a labratory. From scratch! Do you believe god breathed life into the biological machines we have made as humans? We have them create fuel from waste products by changing their DNA by human design. As with all living things, they respire, just as we breathe. When the synthetic life is constructed it simply starts functioning, like a water mill being built and automatically coming to life when the last piece is added. Does this not make you question what you thought life was at least?

P.s. I have not once said doing this equates us with god or a creator, we are only altering what already existed, not creating life from 'nothing'. Nobody claims that.

Before you google diffusion, though it is,very interesting, it is based on the forces of physics and happens in all sorts of contexts. You may have heard of diffusion with water, osmosis. When you pour a cordial into a glass of water, the cordial juice seeks the least concentrated regions of water and likewise the water seeks the least water concentrated regions of the cordial, as seen when the drinks are mixed together.. just to save a conversation where diffusion may be called spirit by some. Diffusion is all about pressure gradients.

The reason oxygen is used snd co2 is released, is no accident. Just as your car needs oxygen and fuel, so does our cells, and also just as with your car, our cells release c02 and water as a waste product. It is internal combustion of another form.

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Who was the best batman?

by FL_Panthers in

it seems that batman has been portrayed by more actors than any other superhero.. who do you think has played the best in the role of bruce wayne/batman?.

snare&racket

great Q xxx

I love the original Batman film so much. I loved Batman as a kid, including the old tv show, filmed at 45 degrees.

But Michael Keaton (with his batman suit that had no means to turn at the neck) is the best! Clooney is the worst :(