an elder in quebec, has just quit as a jw.
he did so by emailing nearly a thousand jw’s with the explanation for why he and his family are quitting.. i have spoke to him quite a bit, interesting guy.
he’s quite the loss to wt, he’s an elder with a serious career in chemistry, a professor no less.. catch his story here, apologies if this has already been posted;.
An elder in Quebec, has just quit as a JW. He did so by emailing nearly a thousand JW’s with the explanation for why he and his family are quitting.
I have spoke to him quite a bit, interesting guy. He’s quite the loss to WT, he’s an elder with a serious career in Chemistry, a professor no less.
Catch his story here, apologies if this has already been posted;
https://www.facebook.com/avery.haines.1/posts/10215261286821460
https://www.facebook.com/avery.haines.1/posts/10215286751458060
i think it’s ridiculous to kick people and families out of a restaurant because of politics.
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“Wilkinson further explained her approach to handling the situation. She first spoke with her employees, who disagreed with Sanders' defense of Trump's discriminatory ban on transgender Americans who want to serve in the military and her recent defense of Trump's un-American family separation policy.
firstly, i want to be crystal clear how grateful i am for jwn.
it's been my place of support for over seventeen years and it's the first online space i direct anyone to if they are taking steps out of the cult.
i am not bashing jwn - i love this place and appreciate the hard work and expense simon puts in to keep it going.
I sincerely feel the same way.
JWN was a haven for me, it helped me in my hardest and darkest moments.
It concerns me now, that new, vulnerable JW’s may come here and find aggressive political ideaology and disunity. I’m not stupid, it represents real life, it’s just not why we come here.
Most of the world (in my humble view) is appalled and shocked at some modern political ideaology and yet here it is often defended and praised. Very derogatory language is used, where previously it would not have been acceptable on JWN. Terms like libtard, are neither appropriate or funny. Think of who may be visiting this site!!!
I am a huge fan of politics and debate, it’s largely my biggest interest in life..... but that’s not what JWN is for. With politics polarising people so much nowadays, is it wise that it dominates so aggressively here?
i am indebted to Simon & Angharad for JWN. Who am I to have any say on how this place is run, or how it should be (if it can be) moderated? .... but it sincerely worries me too that JWN is turning a little too political.
i think he is.
if you don’t want to put reasons for your yes or no, it’s ok. .
your vote,please?
He’s a horrific human being, I shudder at his inhumanity......
tommie robinson has reported often about what he sees as the demise of british society by the imposition of 'sharia' norms.. https://www.infowars.com/update-tommy-robinson-gets-13-months-for-livestreaming-outside-courthouse/?utm_source=nightly+newsletter&utm_campaign=9e3ceb30f6-email_campaign_2018_05_25_03_10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-9e3ceb30f6-38680565.
yesterday he was jailed for 13 months for reporting outside a court in the uk.
his was a non violent offence.. what no community service?
He vocalised court details that were to be legally kept confidential until after the court case. It was a contempt of court offence and he admitted to doing it on purpose afterwards.
I have watched hours of footage and documentaries on TR and he is a toss pot, who’s ideaology floats in the wind, the only anchor it has is islamaphobia.
Im an atheist, I have no loyalty to any belief system. I have always felt hid beliefs are born from fear of THE Muslim, not Muslim doctrine.
i have several close Muslim, Christian, atheist friends. The Islam and Muslim portrayal by TR is skewed, maybe spend some time to get to know people!
He knowingly acted in contempt of court and pissed off the judge. He filmed it knowing full well what would happen...... and it did. Wow, smart guy.
watched the jw finance video's.. they have sold all brooklyn landmarks.
bilions.
they are selling other property maybe up to 3000 units worldwide.. so, there is going something wrong.... there must be a giant money leak.
I’ve been out 13 years now (wow that’s gone quickly), my basic summary of where the finance issues are...
1. It’s cult not supported by any deity, but by donation
2. Literature and printing is financially no longer viable, even for businesses that charge for their product. Printed literature and global distribution is far too expensive now. Everything is goingg and will go online.
3. The Watchtower had invested heavily in the stock market, the 2008 crash hurt them and they halted expansion/projects soon after and started selling property.
4. Court cases for child rape have become costly, with courts finding that the Watchtower itself is guilty of endangering children to known abusers after hearing of incidents and not acting.
5. Events such as Russia’s government seizing all JW property.
6. JW’s have become financially challenged, largely due to WT doctrine on education and careers. Unlike previous JW generations, they clearly don’t donate as they used to. Assemblies were once moneymakers, with J.w’s forced to buy WT meals with WT tokens/credit. They would pay a fortune for WT approved car parks, despite the huge arena venues already having ‘free’ car parking as part of their venue hire cost.
7. Watchtower tried to scam congregations into borrowing and paying back credit on interest. My family worked on the RBC purchasing team. Everything ordered was SO expensive for a new hall or refurbishment. You couldn’t just go and buy a mic cable, it had to be from a JW catalogue from specific suppliers with a marked up price in the WT price list. The sound equipment and furniture was ridiculously expensive and for no reason......seemingly. The money was borrowed from HQ and paid back with interest. This became a mo they giving scheme from every congregation, with all finances handed over to WT. It was decades of KH savings taken overnight. Amounts of money that would go a long way in local finances, but no distance in international publishing.
Teh WT decided to sell the KH’s and squash several congs back into one hall, selling off the new halls of the 90’s, 00’s. This pissed off JW’s a lot. All of this was short term thinking, because once you take all the local assets, sell the halls and make the congs share like they did in the 80’s..... it’s hard to argue you NEED money or that ?God is blessing your activity.
8. The WT doctrine promises, still appeal. But not to western developed ‘lands’. JW expansion is limited and minimal growth is taking place in impoverished lands. The WT invests little time, attention or finance in these regions of the world, because they get little back.
9. If you had to propose a business/financial strategy for the future of WT, what would you do? What could you do? They are boxed in by doctrine and decades old arguments such as “we will know when we lose gods approval as we will need to beg for money...”
They have justified making literature free by lying. They said it was to fulfill scripture “come take life’s water free...” but in reality it was for tax and charity status reasons. They can’t reverse that.
i see maybe a minimal monthly financial donation ....aka....subscription for online access coming. The printing presses will scream to a halt soon enough.
But will the WT financially survive?....... let’s see. I think not.
after a bit of a kerfuffle over a procedural matter, my university has awarded me a degree.
(the procedural problem was caused by my independent selection of what i wanted to study).
award : bachelor of arts.
Congratulations!
Education, education, education!
I’m very jealous of the topics you have studied, I would love to know more about history.
Well done, be proud!
There is life after Watchtower, endless roads, decisions and futures to pick from!
Enjoy your success 😉
would be nice to know if there is anyone from here attending the assembly in manchester this coming weekend?.
I used to attend NYNEX/MEN and helped restore Northendon.
so lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.
but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.
OP
So don’t buy it.........
Its like walking past a poster saying guitar lessons and shouting out loud “I do t want to learn the guitar!” The poster isn’t for you. The book isn’t for you.
Write your own pamphlet to give away for free and it may help people looking for exactly that 😉.
Ex JW life is difficult enough without judging each other. He’s hardy selling kids into slavery, he’s writing a flipping book 🙄
just thought a review the following material many have contributed to might be helpful .
you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in 1919?"2.
When they attempt to explain that the god of the universe needs money.... and promptly too !
