Posts by outsmartthesystem

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Is the Governing Body EVIL or IGNORANT?

by cedars in

some of you will have noticed that i've been paying a lot of attention to the governing body recently.

this is because most jehovah's witnesses venerate them collectively (even if they can't name them individually), and i feel this makes it important to understand this group of men properly and expose their mindset as individuals.

as the saying goes, i feel it's important to "know your enemy".. i realize it's very convenient to think of the governing body as being "evil" when we consider that they are ultimately responsible for all the damaging jw teachings and beliefs.

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"Being the self-appointed sole channel of communication with God puts them in an obligatory position to thoroughly search the scriptures with humility and honesty. They should be praying incessantly to be guided by HS and then seeking to follow its leadings through the pages of the Bible to find answers. "

Therein lies the problem. When you have 7 yes men that have been thrust into the role of leadership.....they don't know what to do. The only option is to hold tight to the existing doctrines and decisions because.....well......they were made by the holy spirit so they can't be wrong, can they? Any revocation of a damaging doctrine (or even suggestion to do so) could be construed by the other 6 as the first step to apostacy. And then that man would be in Ray Franz' shoes.

It would not shock me at all if certain men on the GB either now or in times past have truly wondered to themselves if a particular doctrine is correct. But then they quickly remind themselves that they are imperfect....and such a thought is just Satan trying to get them to be like Ray Franz so they quickly dismiss it

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Is the Governing Body EVIL or IGNORANT?

by cedars in

some of you will have noticed that i've been paying a lot of attention to the governing body recently.

this is because most jehovah's witnesses venerate them collectively (even if they can't name them individually), and i feel this makes it important to understand this group of men properly and expose their mindset as individuals.

as the saying goes, i feel it's important to "know your enemy".. i realize it's very convenient to think of the governing body as being "evil" when we consider that they are ultimately responsible for all the damaging jw teachings and beliefs.

outsmartthesystem

Cedars and Sir - I couldn't agree with you more. Ray Franz even said that there weren't any men on that governing body that he wouldn't provide food and shelter for if they needed it. They are imperfect men. Men that have been thrust into positions of power and yes...power corrupts. But more than that.......they all believe that this is God's organization. First and foremost this is THE most important belief. Even if they have to adjust the bible to fit organizational history. Even if they themselves do not understand why their forefathers made a particular stand on a doctrinal matter. Even if they have to print lies and be deceitful. This IS God's organization and all of the aforementioned is simply theocratic warfare that God wants them to engage in to preserve the organization and its legacy.

It is the aura....the aura that this HAS to be God's organization....and that God's organization MUST be lead by holy spirit. The delusion of holy spirit actually leading them makes them calloused to the decisions they or their forefathers make that serve to hurt other people. After all....the holy spirit made that decision.....THEY THEMSELVES did not. Who are we to argue against it?

Belief that this is God's organization will cause men in power to do and say whatever needs to be said or done to perpetuate it. IT is in control and its damaging doctrines are its spine. Its damaging doctrines are as entrenched as the U.S. Constitution.

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I called Bethel about shunning family, unexpected response.....

by EndofMysteries in

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"The 1988 4/15 watchtower says this....."a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children."

Gee Watchtower Society. That's swell! Thank you SO MUCH for ALLOWING me to live in my own home! The arrogance of these assholes is astounding. They even try to treat those that are not under their control (DFd or DAd) people as though they are still bound to the dictates of the cult.

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Sept. 15th WT - WT Society Hypocritically Disses " Materialistic " JW's

by flipper in

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as many of us are aware the wt society has done quite nicely in a material way for themselves.

the sales of properties of the former " bethel " in brooklyn amassed them millions of more $$$$ .

they have relocated into upstate new york and are building like wildmen.

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What makes me do damn angry is that with their propaganda and rhetoric.....they continue to beat people into submission. A man that could have taken a new job or received a promotion is still stuck cleaning floors. He works nights so he doesn't get to sleep with his wife. He sleeps during the day so he doesn't get to see his kids. He eats fast food because it is cheap. He doesn't exercise because he is always tired. Just like many people though....he manages to save a little money for retirement. After reading a recent WT, he decides to leave half of his estate to the WT when he dies. One day, he has a heart attack and dies. His estate is only worth $200,000....but half of it is going straight to the borg. And there you have it. He worked his whole damn life....in a job he hated......making less $ than he ever should have.....never getting to see his wife or kids outside of "theocratic" activities. And then he dies. Just like that.....when the heart stops beating.......half of everything he ever worked for goes straight to the borg. They did nothing to earn it. All they did is make a request. Who is being materialistic? The man that worked hard for what he has.....or the organization that is requesting that you GIVE them what YOU have?

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What Are The Funniest Sitcoms That You Have Enjoyed?

by minimus in

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i was watching the beverly hillbillies the other night and i have to say, the writing and the acting was terrific!.

another classic is all in the family.

loved that show!.

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I haven't seen it yet.......

PERFECT STRANGERS! Balki was great

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unanswerable questions

by outsmartthesystem in

hey all...... i have decided to compile a list of questions that jws simply cannot answer without opening up a vulnerability.....such as.

1) if jesus is only mediator for the 144,000 then who is the mediator for the rest of us?

2) plasma is one of the four main components of blood and cannot be taken.

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"There will always be questions and those loyal to the church will always have answers."

Yes, but what are the answers to those questions? And are they reasonable? If the answers are constantly, "we cannot understand Jehovah's justice" or "we must wait on Jehovah to see".........then hopefully after saying that 200 times.....a person may notice a problem. Notice I said "may".

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Went to the DC with my wife.... WHY OH WHY???

by Cinciguy74 in

so, in a tit for tat agreement with my wife to do something i wanted to do, i agreed to go with my wife for saturday and sunday to the district convention.. for most of the day, i simply read other things, paying little attention to what was going on.

my wife could care less if i am paying attention, more that i am there to wrangle little ones who are being distruptive so she can listen.. but one of the things i did catch, was that they highlighted "four satanic teachings".. one of which was that "you need a higher education to succeed in this world".

so higher education is now satanic??

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I took Solomon's comment to mean that natural selection itself may eliminate the Watchtower Society in the future. Humans and animal adapt to changing circumstances over periods of time. Those that dont go extinct. The Watchtower's rigid stance on education may be their death sentence because as the generations go on (real ones.....not overlapping) more and more young ones will realize the absolute necessity of education and will choose it over the organization.....thus ensuring a slow demise of the borg.

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Went to the DC with my wife.... WHY OH WHY???

by Cinciguy74 in

so, in a tit for tat agreement with my wife to do something i wanted to do, i agreed to go with my wife for saturday and sunday to the district convention.. for most of the day, i simply read other things, paying little attention to what was going on.

my wife could care less if i am paying attention, more that i am there to wrangle little ones who are being distruptive so she can listen.. but one of the things i did catch, was that they highlighted "four satanic teachings".. one of which was that "you need a higher education to succeed in this world".

so higher education is now satanic??

outsmartthesystem

"The church must feel threatened by higher education for some reason."

Bingo. They ARE threatened by education. Education teaches a person HOW to think. And when a person learns HOW to think.....he or she can properly analyze information to determine if it is correct or factual. He or she can pick apart baseless arguments and rhetorical fallacies meant to deceive. That's what the JW faith is built upon....so of course.....they don't want you analyzing anything. They would rather teach you WHAT to think.

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Went to the DC with my wife.... WHY OH WHY???

by Cinciguy74 in

so, in a tit for tat agreement with my wife to do something i wanted to do, i agreed to go with my wife for saturday and sunday to the district convention.. for most of the day, i simply read other things, paying little attention to what was going on.

my wife could care less if i am paying attention, more that i am there to wrangle little ones who are being distruptive so she can listen.. but one of the things i did catch, was that they highlighted "four satanic teachings".. one of which was that "you need a higher education to succeed in this world".

so higher education is now satanic??

outsmartthesystem

Ya know what's sad? Our city has two congregations. The other congregation (where my FIL is an elder) has several "young" couples. Every last one of these young couples is having severe financial difficulty. Why? Nobody has an education. Worse yet....half of them are home schooled with no education. But does my wife and FIL or anyone else notice that? Of course not. All they notice is "how difficult Satan is making it for these good kids". I just want to scream. "Did you ever stop to think that perhaps by damning higher education.....it is the SOCIETY that is making it hard for these good kids?"

Seriously....I wonder what their long term plan is. Unless you are going into a construction trade.....20 years from now....there will be 0 jobs available for those without an education. They simply have to scale back the rhetoric or they'll retain practically no people from that generation.

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I wrote a D.A. letter

by snakeface in

i used to be very active int he organization, "high profile" so to speak.

always taking the gorup out in service, always having parts on the platform etc etc.

almost 5 years ago, i simply did not show up anymore.

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I'll bet they had a recent CO visit and he harped on finding those "lost sheep".

I've been MIA for over a year now. No elders have bothered to contact me. But one self righteous asshole MS did leave me a voice mail that said "I noticed you haven't been to teh hall for about 3 months now. Was it anything I did? Was it something someone else did? Are you mad at Jehovah? Please call me back. You need help. Things aren't right in your head"

I thought.....wow. What a touching message. I wanted to punch him in the throat