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Your worst convention experience.

by zeb in

by a split second rescuing our handicapped son from being pushed down the stairs by a flood of sisters rushing out to see as the drama had started.. the main offender being a special pioneer..

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Two of them. 1) While volunteering (back when we served food) and carrying crates full of milk at 7:59 AM.......the "brothers" then opened the main doors. I was bull rushed by all the local brothers and sisters who literally RAN.....elbowing.....pushing.....running....to get to the "barrel seats" and the "gold cup room". I dropped a crate of milk during the hussle and actually received a disgusted "c'mon man!" from one of the "brothers" that I inadvertantly slowed down

We had our conventions at Hawthorne Sports Track in Cicero IL. There were a select few seats in the entire complex that were actually comfortable. Hence the brotherly love that was routinely shown above to claim those seats.

2) It was hot and stuffy. My oldest child was 6 months old. She was hot, grumpy, tired etc. She had been crying all day long. I finally searched and searched for a quiet spot at the Nutter Center in Dayton Ohio. I went to the third floor and sat down with her against the wall, near an exit. 5 minutes later, an attendant comes up to tell me that this is not an approved seat for "convention delegates". I explained my plight......that I needed desperately to find a quiet place so my daughter could nap. He said "that's what the mother's room is for". I said "have you been in one of them? They are filled with other crying babies. How do you expect a child to fall asleep in that environment?" He mumbled something about it being Jehovah's arrangement. I said....."look....I am not causing anyone any harm. i am not disrupting anything. I have found a quiet place for my child to sleep. I am not moving". He said "you're the one disobeying theocratic arrangement. it is YOUR conscience, brother!"

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Need help with some bound volumes

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

court is fast approaching and my team and i could use a little help in finding some hard copy articles.

(bound volumes will work too) i need the following:.

1957 wt bound volume (in particular 5-1-57).

outsmartthesystem

Thank you Sinis. And thank you Stonewall.

Stonewall......you have a PM.

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Need help with some bound volumes

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

court is fast approaching and my team and i could use a little help in finding some hard copy articles.

(bound volumes will work too) i need the following:.

1957 wt bound volume (in particular 5-1-57).

outsmartthesystem

WF - Ok. No biggie. Please ignore my PM then

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Need help with some bound volumes

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

court is fast approaching and my team and i could use a little help in finding some hard copy articles.

(bound volumes will work too) i need the following:.

1957 wt bound volume (in particular 5-1-57).

outsmartthesystem

I've nailed a few on ebay......but am struggling with the '57 Watchtower and the 2000 era bound volumes (since most people were using CD rom by then)

Problem with the CD ROM is.....when you print it out....it doesn't come with any type of proof that it is from the WT Society. Worst case is.....I can bring a laptop w/ me to court and use the disk.....but hard copies would be better

I will check amazon

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Need help with some bound volumes

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

court is fast approaching and my team and i could use a little help in finding some hard copy articles.

(bound volumes will work too) i need the following:.

1957 wt bound volume (in particular 5-1-57).

outsmartthesystem

Hello all. Court is fast approaching and my team and I could use a little help in finding some hard copy articles. (bound volumes will work too) I need the following:

1957 WT bound volume (in particular – 5-1-57)

1960 WT bound volume (in particular – 6-1-60)

1988 WT bound volume (in particular - 4-15-88)

1988 June KM

2004 WT bound volume (in particular – 2-15-04)

2006 WT bound volume (in particular – 4-15-06)

2007 WT bound volume (in particular – 1-15-07, 2-15-07, 12-15-07)

2008 WT bound volume (in particular – 9-1-08)

2012 WT bound volume (in particular 4-15-12, 6-15-12)

2011 Examining the Scriptures Daily

I am more than happy to pay for not only the bound volume or magazine itself.....but also shipping and handling. Please PM me if you think you can obtain any of these. It is MUCH appreciated.

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SCRIPTURAL DIVORCE

by The Searcher in

i am genuinely in the dark on this one; .

can someone with experience of this explain to me what a "scriptural divorce" is?

i have always believed what christ said was the only basis for divorce.

outsmartthesystem

The only grounds for divorce is "proof" (which in and of itself is subjective - see elders manual) of adultery. But there are plenty of other reasons to get a separation. If the elders feel that the reason you chose to get separated was a good one (i.e. willful non support.......spiritual endangerment etc) then you will remain in good standing in the congregation......you just cant get remarried.

Here is a good one for you:

I know of a sister who left her husband due to all sorts of problems.....one being physical abuse. She went ahead and got divorced because she decided there was no way she would ever trust him again. She lost her "privleges". Two years later she is still divorced from him but because she is a JW.....she has not dated anyone else so she is single. The elders told her that since she initiated a divorce on grounds outside that of adultery, not only can she not get remarried, but she can never pioneer again because she is not considered to be "exemplary". She is not considered "exemplary" because she is still considered to be "married in Jehovah's eyes" (since there has never been evidence of adultery) However, if she were to succomb to immorality now or in the future, she would likely be reprimanded but not disfellowshipped if she showed "repentance". And at THIS point.....not only would she be free to remarry.......she would also.....after the reprimandation......be cleared to be a pioneer again because since Jehovah no longer views her as "married".....she is now examplary. Isn't that sick? If she lives her life according to biblical standards from here on out.....she will be congregationally punished. But if she willingly breaks one of the biblical laws......she will be congregationally rewarded!

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remember when the "truth" was simple?

by nowwhat? in

we had a saying, "the truth is simple but it is not easy".. everything is now so convoluted and nebulous!.

the 1914 overlapping generations.

blood fractions.

outsmartthesystem

"When I was teenager going DtoD I would defend JW doctrine to vicars and other Ministers of religion, not brilliantly I bet, but to the point where we agreed to differ.

I doubt many adult JW's could defend present doctine in that way, if they even know what it is."

You are exactly right Phizzy. One that pops out at me is the "generation" debacle. Years ago....I would proudly state that Jesus stated that "this generation" will not pass away. That was step 1. Then I'd show them right from the bible how long a generation was. That was step 2. Then it was a matter of getting them to understand how we calculated 1914. Step three was much tougher.

I don't see how any witness can even get past step two with any reasonable individual anymore. Who in their right mind aside from those that are predisposed to kool aid drinking....can possibly read the society's explanation for the overlapping generation and actually take it seriously?

The wackier the society gets with their doctrines and explanations......the more they push away ones that had potential interest.......yet at the same time.....the more they tighten the grip on those already in. In the long run.....a losing proposition for the society.

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BROTHERS & SISTERS - READ THE BROCHURE!

by The Searcher in

jesus always used illustrations to help people reason on the import of what he was saying.

here is an illustration followed by a reality;.

imagine that your heart went out to all those poor people who suffered when fukushima blew up, so much so, that when an internationally renowned charity asked for donations to help those in need, you donated $5000 to the cause.

outsmartthesystem

"Online Link to State Farm Contacts. See it below. Just fill in information including this thread if people agree then send it via online.

https://online2.statefarm.com/forms/sf/commentsOrQuestions.xhtml

Although Iam not an attorney, I do not think there is any evidence of fraud since a structure demage already existed and that an insured home owner has a right to decide where his or her check go. And also, insurance firms always prefer their own approved adjustors, those already on their list of pre-approved ones. And by large, these pre-approved adjustors carry a very heavy burden to be honest in their estiimation or else, they risk losing their own license or credential. May be Iam incorrect on this but this is my personal experiences involving an auto accident.

On the postive note, this thread has enlightened me alot about the dirty inner working of the RBCs. Its a very wonderful blessing that the internet is opening the way to uncover many secrets of the Watchtower we did not know before. I suspect this are just the tip of the iceberg."

But what State Farm might want to see is that FULLY INSURED and QUALIFIED roofing contractors are making the repairs that their check is paying for. If Joe's roofing company puts on a replacement roof and the thing leaks and causes $25k worth of future damage to the drywall and carpet.......State Farm will pay that future claim but then go after Joe's Roofing company's liability policy for reimbursement because the ruined drywall and carpet is Joe's fault. But if a bunch of JW hill-jacks threw up the roof.......and the same thing happens.......who do they go after?

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BROTHERS & SISTERS - READ THE BROCHURE!

by The Searcher in

jesus always used illustrations to help people reason on the import of what he was saying.

here is an illustration followed by a reality;.

imagine that your heart went out to all those poor people who suffered when fukushima blew up, so much so, that when an internationally renowned charity asked for donations to help those in need, you donated $5000 to the cause.

outsmartthesystem

"I've heard some elders try to justify the elevated assembly cost by comparing the cost of attending a professional sporting event or theatrical show. As we would pay a large amount to attend those events, they say we should gladly pay at least the same to Jah. If you recall, similar reasoning was used when suggesting a donation amount for the WT's publications since a person could easily pay $75 for a bible at the bookstore."

This pisses me off. These same elders, when informed that a person spent $75 for a bible at a Christian bookstore, would say "Obviously that bookstore learned nothing from Jesus' example of throwing the merchants out of the temple!" When other denominations rip off their sheep? We will condemn them. When the WT rips of its sheep? Not only will we justify that others charge the same if not more......we will make you feel as though you are stealing from GOD if you don't concur with our logic!

Besides.....didn't Jesus say that his yoke was kindly and his load LIGHT? Should the "sheep" really be made to feel guilty if they aren't properly matching what the "greedy" commercial merchants of this wicked system would charge?

DISGUSTING!

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Sex before marriage would eliminate a lot of unhappy marriages in the Borg...

by sinis in

jw
friends

sensible, safe sex, in my opinion, should be engaged in.

because, as you get older and are ready to settle down, you will look at your potential sole mate, not for sexual reasons, but for what they have to offer mentally and if they are compatible.

when religion restricts this, and yuo must marry to have sex, i believe that you doom a marriage at the outset, because these young folks marry out of lust, only to have the rose colored blinders pulled off later, and regret the entire arrangement... .

outsmartthesystem

"If one partner is selfish and uninterested in the other's enjoyment, or too inhibited to try new things, it's not going to work"

Tis the problem amongst MANY JW marriages! The GB inserts themselves into bedroom practices....telling MARRIED couples whether or not they can engage in oral sex! Sex is almost made out to be taboo in this religion. There are stigmatisms all over the place. Wife wants husband to go to the local kink shop and buy a vibrator. Husband won't go because......"what if someone sees me walking in? I don't want to stumble anyone". Husband wants wife to wear a costume. Wife won't because......"weren't costumes associated with ancient drunken orgies and even Ba'al worship?" JWs have to be concerned about THEIR OWN MATE turning them into the elders for suggesting ANYTHING that could be considered an "unclean" practice. Being a JW CREATES sexual inhibition.