Ack sorry, Matt 24:11 not 44:11
summerinvincible
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Black Sheep, when you say "Tell her that you can't find anything in those articles to say that they predicted Christ's return in 1914", I'll take your word for it, because I don't have access to any of the materials she quoted from :)
Here are the Bible references she quoted in regards to False Prophets:
Matt 7:15-23
Matt 44:11
2 Peter 2:1,2
1 John 4:1
She has also invited me to the big convention in Perth next weekend :) .... I wonder how many secret apostates will be there? :)
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Thanks mate!
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Thanks guys.
Her response didn't surprise me... I knew she wasn't going to fall into the trap of slagging off Camping etc, because that would force her to face facts. i.e. The Watchtower is no different.
Another "off-topic" comment she made that also annoyed me was "How many are identified by their unity and love as Jesus said his followers would be?" .... Does she really believe that JWs are more 'united' than people of other religions??? I grew up Catholic, then got "saved" (born again) as an impressionable teenager, (and now I don't really believe anything)... but honestly, people from these other religions are just as united!
I mean, in high school she told me that her Dad molested her, but now she claims it was her brother..... At any rate, I don't think molesting people falls into the category of "unity and love"!
WontLeave - Can I ask why that is your username?
Still undecided as to where to go from here, but I do have more burning questions for her....
Such as.... Say Armageddon starts tomorrow. I know I'm gonna be destroyed by Jehovah, but what will become of my little girl, who isn't even 2 years old yet?? Watchtower literature says Jehovah would never send someone to hell for eternity because that would be cruel.... but apparently destroying children is AOK?!
AND the whole blood transfusion thing. Apparently the rules have changed over the years in regards to this, with changes made as more "new light" comes through. Which means that people certainly would have died for no reason.
ARGHH I can't imagine being that brainwashed!!! It makes me so mad!!!
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
I'M BAAACCKKK!!
Black Sheep, InterestedOne and skeeter1 - Hope you guys are still around! She finally replied a couple of days ago, with a letter.....
To recap, here's what I said to her last time:
A section in this article says: In 1876, when Russell had first read a copy of Herald of the Morning, he had learned that there was another group who then believed that Christ’s return would be invisible and who associated that return with blessings for all families of the earth. From Mr. Barbour, editor of that publication, Russell also came to be persuaded that Christ’s invisible presence had begun in 1874. Attention was later drawn to this by the subtitle “Herald of Christ’s Presence,” which appeared on the cover of Zion’s Watch Tower.
Going back to what we were talking about before - I asked if the Watchtower predicted Christ's return in 1914 and you said that they had. But this article says they thought it was in 1874 and that they published that in Zion's Watch Tower. When did the Watch Tower start predicting Christ's return in 1914?
The article says that the Adventists thought that Christ's return would be in the flesh, then, after he hadn't shown up and the Adventists looked silly, Russell says that it was invisible, but that they had the date right, just like Camping did by claiming Judgement Day was invisible when nothing happened... I'm sure the Bible must have scriptures warning about following false prophets. What are they?... Do you think the the Adventists were false prophets? ... Do you think Camping is a false prophet?...HER RESPONSE:
"If you read further in that section at the back, it explains how they later came to the date of 1914 after further research. The footnote page 133, 134, 135 have extra information too. '1914' was used in early issues of the Watchtower in December 1879, July 1880. This book is open and honest, shows how things have progressed and improved as to Bible understanding. It shows all the details of the men involved, giving a willing and open insight into the organisation of the Jehovahs Witnesses.
Christ's presence was to be invisible to the naked eye as Scriptures said he will come in the same manner he left (not visible after caught up in a cloud) [then she referenced some scriptures about this].
The Bible does warn about false prophets [more Bible passage references]. It was foretold that false prophets would come, and would mislead people. The amount of religious differences today is proof of that. The Bible said the road to life is narrow and not many will find it. However many believe that "all roads lead to God". I personally haven't looked into the Adventists, or Camping, so couldn't honestly know their motives or intentions. I believe there are people who genuinely want to know the truth."
There's more, but she went COMPLETELY off topic again, pointing the finger at other religions. i.e. "How many religions teach that God wants angels in heaven so that's why babies and children die?" Ummm, none that I know of LOL
SO.... what now guys? I feel like '1914' has come to a dead end! Oh and Skeeter, don't worry I'm being completely neutral. All I'm doing is asking questions, which she seems to like!
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Just thought I'd let you know, I'm still waiting on a reply from her.
She has talked to me via Facebook about other things - just not this.... so she's still 'with' me so to speak!
Another question - she mentioned enrolling her son into kindergarten which I was very surprised about.... because kindergarten isn't compuslary in Australia, so I thought she would have wanted to avoid sending her child to a "worldly" institution...?
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Ok, this is what I will say. I'm worried that it sounds too accusatory... Will wait for your reply before I send it:
I read the article you gave me called "Growing in accurate knowledge of the truth".
A section in this article says: In 1876, when Russell had first read a copy of Herald of the Morning, he had learned that there was another group who then believed that Christ’s return would be invisible and who associated that return with blessings for all families of the earth. From Mr. Barbour, editor of that publication, Russell also came to be persuaded that Christ’s invisible presence had begun in 1874. Attention was later drawn to this by the subtitle “Herald of Christ’s Presence,” which appeared on the cover of Zion’s Watch Tower.
Going back to what we were talking about before - I asked if the Watchtower predicted Christ's return in 1914 and you said that they had. But this article says they thought it was in 1874 and that they published that in Zion's Watch Tower. When did the Watch Tower start predicting Christ's return in 1914?
The article says that the Adventists thought that Christ's return would be in the flesh, then, after he hadn't shown up and the Adventists looked silly, Russell says that it was invisible, but that they had the date right, just like Camping did by claiming Judgement Day was invisible when nothing happened... I'm sure the Bible must have scriptures warning about following false prophets. What are they?... Do you think the the Adventists were false prophets? ... Do you think Camping is a false prophet?... -
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Thanks Black Sheep.... Thanks for sticking with me through this :)
I will reply to her now with the suggestions you made earlier.
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Thanks Joey Jo-Jo, that explained it nicely.
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How should I respond to a JW friend? (Australia)
by summerinvincible insorry if this isn't the right place to post this - brand new member here.. i recently caught up with an old friend who is a jw.
she's been witnessing to me, and i've accepted all her handouts because i don't want to hurt her feelings.
but now she's asking me for my "thoughts" about what i've read so far.
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summerinvincible
Ok so.. They say they predicted Christ's return in 1914, and it was 'invisible', so that's why they are correct? (Sorry, I'm obviously a bit slow...)
But you're saying they actually DIDN'T predict Christ's return in 1914.
In the document you quoted from, a couple of pages after that quote, there's a paragraph which says "They also came to understand that it was in the year 1914 that Christ's invisible presence has begun...." etc - so she'll probably give me that as her answer. Although I guess it shows that they didn't actually PREDICT it, they "came to understand" it.... There's a difference, but I'm not sure if she'll see the relevance.