Posts by MikeNightHaShev

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Where is the proof???

by tracysdad in

where is the scriptural proof that jesus christ is michael the archangel?

is there one verse that states as such?

can michael be worshipped as christ was?

Jesus is a creation of Rome, a character that was converging all faiths cultures and Mythology fulfilling Pagan figures and Jewish figures to satisfy all religions and cults into one world religious order where they were the authority and benefactors (tithes sent to them).
Therefore any NT accounts used regarding Jesus are not gonna help this argument since it's self testified- the adversary hierarchy using it's own propaganda.
Let's take the verse you refer to just for arguments sake;
You might notice in the NT The adversary to G0D's commands that we call Satan = (i.e. Adversary), in Jude 1:9 wanted to take Moses body so that it could be used for profit and glorified to the public just as Satan does with its shrines of saints. Thus, the body of Moses would have become an object of worship or veneration by the people. This is considered idolatry.

Another Gospel has the Christ figure on MT zion (in this reference called Jesus) arguing with Peter over the Body of Moses therefore according to Jude Michael is that figure on MT zion while Peter is Satan.

CONCLUSION: YOU INADVERTANLTY validated the JW position of Jesus=Michael.

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opinion on judgement day...what u think?

by gotcha in

i was thinking that based on the way god judged adam and eve as well as lot and his fam i can see that he only asked them to perform a seemingly easy task such as dont eat from that tree and don't look back..this seemingly easy task would actually be a symbol of one's radical obedience or rejection of him...so i think that maybe the next judgement day...god would ask us to do a seemingly easy task that would embody what our real feelings are toward him...and maybe all religions are like tools....they could actually help/put u down in terms of faith or get you ready for this final question..just like a class which gets you ready for the final exams....i dunno if this makes sense..oh well just an opinion...do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment?--mch

MikeNightHaShev

A lot of things are personal preference rather then restrictions.
I don't drink or smoke, don't support unecessary movies which overly blown glorify murderers or murdering like that Natural Born Killers Movie. Just my preferences nothing more as I'm not ultra Orthodox or anything.

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opinion on judgement day...what u think?

by gotcha in

i was thinking that based on the way god judged adam and eve as well as lot and his fam i can see that he only asked them to perform a seemingly easy task such as dont eat from that tree and don't look back..this seemingly easy task would actually be a symbol of one's radical obedience or rejection of him...so i think that maybe the next judgement day...god would ask us to do a seemingly easy task that would embody what our real feelings are toward him...and maybe all religions are like tools....they could actually help/put u down in terms of faith or get you ready for this final question..just like a class which gets you ready for the final exams....i dunno if this makes sense..oh well just an opinion...do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment?--mch

MikeNightHaShev

I'm Jewish, out of the Kohanim.

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opinion on judgement day...what u think?

by gotcha in

i was thinking that based on the way god judged adam and eve as well as lot and his fam i can see that he only asked them to perform a seemingly easy task such as dont eat from that tree and don't look back..this seemingly easy task would actually be a symbol of one's radical obedience or rejection of him...so i think that maybe the next judgement day...god would ask us to do a seemingly easy task that would embody what our real feelings are toward him...and maybe all religions are like tools....they could actually help/put u down in terms of faith or get you ready for this final question..just like a class which gets you ready for the final exams....i dunno if this makes sense..oh well just an opinion...do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment?--mch

MikeNightHaShev

>>>so this judgement...may we call it conscience?

People still have that?...Concience??? We don't see people with much conscience anymore....people do for themselves and for the NOW because they don't get the cause and affect thing I pointed out.

Anyway something to add to my post to better describe Judgment references:
Fire in regards to judgment means the heat being turned up by the Judgment. By turning up the heat or ‘fire’ is like the analogy of the metal refiner who turns up the fire/heat to force the impurities to rise to the top so they can be skimed and removed, leaving just a more pure and valuable product.
In regards to humans spiritual growth as transgressors the more we rebel and become lofty the more the Judgment fire is turned up to put us in our place and this process although uncomfortable to our ego is something that helps purify our nature.
Notice the more one comes up against me and become personal towards me instead of the issues then the more they become unfair and vindictive towards the messenger because of the unpopular message.
I then in response become more harsh in my judgment of their actions and reactions. In other words I am turning up the heat forcing their vile nature to come to the front and be exposed. Once it’s exposed they can see a mirror of their behavior and thus remove that vile nature if they chose to purify themselves through this removal that floated to the top.
This means someone who wants to be all he could be and spiritually grow and mature can learn from all chastisment of their behavior acts or beliefs and use it to remove the impurities in their lives.
A man with ego is one who will usually refuse to let the judgment work for his benefit and instead of appreciating the insight the ego will displace blame or see the fire as something to hot to handle.
So if you are spiritually grown or one who seeks to be all you can be then the fire will purify you, but if you are always rebeling and blaming others and have trouble taking criticsm (ego) then this fire will devour you and make you suffer unto the hurt ego.

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opinion on judgement day...what u think?

by gotcha in

i was thinking that based on the way god judged adam and eve as well as lot and his fam i can see that he only asked them to perform a seemingly easy task such as dont eat from that tree and don't look back..this seemingly easy task would actually be a symbol of one's radical obedience or rejection of him...so i think that maybe the next judgement day...god would ask us to do a seemingly easy task that would embody what our real feelings are toward him...and maybe all religions are like tools....they could actually help/put u down in terms of faith or get you ready for this final question..just like a class which gets you ready for the final exams....i dunno if this makes sense..oh well just an opinion...do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment?--mch

MikeNightHaShev

>>but do u think there's really going to be a judgement day?

People's assumption of the Judgment come in the way they missperceive
Heaven, where it is, what it is, and the players involved that are written of.
By making Heaven another place and the characters Mythical outside their context, then judgment also becomes a delusional scenerio and not one based on reality of life.

Judgment is always built in to our nature, it's called cause and affect, action reaction.
We already proved that we are interconnected and affecting each other, through Bell's Interconnection Theorem which Proved this function of nature and no-one has realized this, as it fits the secrets of life. Because together with David Bohm's Theory of Connection we now see the workings of the balance of life, where every action has a mirror reaction and connects with the whole. This is a major breakthrough in man to finally see, 'THE WAY THINGS ARE'.

Our Micro and macro existance, has always held Judgment on us, holding us accountable for our acts and our being.

As far as the more tangible noted Biblical Judgment this involves a Judgment on our works and what we have become compared to where we should be and could be. Therefore Judgment comes in this age of information where past mistakes can be outted and analyzed and chastisment of things like the nature and actions of the church can be outted. The Church and it's clergy are judged and transgressions and iniquities exposed. It's people judged, secular society judged, the Media judged, everyone is being judged through knowledge of what we know could be better by knowing how things ought to be.
This is why it says the sWORD out of his mouth he will make low those lofty and arrogant people. Through light (knowledge and truth) we fight darkness (lies and ignorance and folly).
When we don't repent history shows we repeat our mistakes and pay the price (our Judgment penalty rather then our just reward)
So we get to chose, to live in our own made hell (the curse) or live in a blessed perfected existance we call the Kingdom/Heaven/world to come.

Scrolls:
This fragment concerns either the retribution in store for the wicked or the rewards awaiting the just.
Frag. 2 [ . . . ] custody of the angel of intercession [ . . . ] 2[ . . . ] Your [st]rength. and to fight against all the la[nds . . . ] among them Your rewards (retributions?) [ . . . ] 4[ . :. . ] and Your judgments You] make marvelous among them [ . . . ] s[ . . . concern]ing [a]ll Your works [ . . . ]

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opinion on judgement day...what u think?

by gotcha in

i was thinking that based on the way god judged adam and eve as well as lot and his fam i can see that he only asked them to perform a seemingly easy task such as dont eat from that tree and don't look back..this seemingly easy task would actually be a symbol of one's radical obedience or rejection of him...so i think that maybe the next judgement day...god would ask us to do a seemingly easy task that would embody what our real feelings are toward him...and maybe all religions are like tools....they could actually help/put u down in terms of faith or get you ready for this final question..just like a class which gets you ready for the final exams....i dunno if this makes sense..oh well just an opinion...do any of you know about the catholic perspective of fundamental orientation/commitment?--mch

MikeNightHaShev

That simple exam choice was already given and depending on your choice you either are blessed or cursed by your choice.

Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,That I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse;Therefore choose life, that you may live, you and your children.

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Where is the proof???

by tracysdad in

where is the scriptural proof that jesus christ is michael the archangel?

is there one verse that states as such?

can michael be worshipped as christ was?

MikeNightHaShev

>You are teaching falsely.
>Ezekiel chapters 26-28 are speaking of Satan.

And Jesus (the compiled Roman character as an image of a man of beauty deemed perfect (Ez 28:15) fulfills Ezekiel 28 as the man of periditon.
what do you think Perdition means? answer:To fall to the pit
Jesus is the son who fell to the pit:as happened to Jesus in
Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3:19 he descended to hell.

Ezekiel 28:6-10
6"Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "`Because you think you are wise, as wise as a god,
7 I am going to bring foreigners against you, the most ruthless of nations; they will draw their swords against *your beauty and wisdom* and *pierce your shining splendor*. (as happened to the shining Jesus in fulfilling this verse accounted in John 19:34-,& fulfilling the dragon in Isaiah 51:9 and Rev 13)
8 *They will bring you down to the pit* (as happened to Jesus in Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3:19), and *you will die a violent death* in *the heart of the seas*(i.e.Roman Empire).
9 Will you then say, "I am a god," in the presence of those who kill you? You will be but a man, not a god, in the hands of those who slay you. (as happened to Jesus; John 8:57, 10:25-36, & Psalm 82:1-8)
10 You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.'"

15 You were blameless in your ways (Jesus was only man ever deemed perfect)
from the day you were created (his image was created by Rome)
till wickedness was found in you (till this information age exposed his essence and whitewashed character).
Now that they can't slay you or censor you the truth will reveal the iniquities his image caused mankind.

Was Jesus the anointed guardian? Yes
Was he the first claimed Messiah?Yes
Do preachers get the imposter messiah story from OT prexisting Jesus?
Yes
Then who came first again? Jesus
Then why do you have so much trouible understanding that Jesus was a thief of Michael stealing the roles confusing even the JW's because of the deception?

If nobody was ever deemed perfect and you place Jesus everywhere in the bible it says of an anointed one then only Jesus fulfills the fallen one otherwise you have to admit you use selective recognition of scripture to deceive people to accept your figure you place as Messiah.

Lastly you said:

>>There is NO WICKEDNESS in Christ, yet you teach this guardian >>cherub to be him.

What do you call this?
Lucifer Said:
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (shows the thief steals from Night is here to Burn us, perhaps cause nuclear war?)

Book of Thomas Verse 10 "I have thrown fire on the world and behold, I am guarding it until it is ablaze."

Matthew 10: 34-40
34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Similar to Thomas Verse 16 "Perhaps people think that I have come to bring peace to theworld. They do not know that I have come to bring conflict to the earth: fire, sword, war. For five people will be in a house: It will be three against two, and two against three, father against son, and son against father, and they will stand alone."

Jesus hated families (Luke 8:19-21,Luke 14:26,33,
Luke 18:29-30, Matt 10:34-37), hated life (1 John 2:15-17)
and this earth and mankind (2 Peter 3:10, Mat 10: 34-40 & Thomas 16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8),
hated the Pharisee , hated Woman (1 Cor. 11, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 & all over the book of Thomas),
hated his brethren (seen by what he caused to them), hated people with disabilities(Mark 9:14-19,Matt 9:32-33, 12:22 & Luke 11:14)
hated gentiles (Matt15:26), hated his own chosen town of Capernaum (Mat.11:23),

thus must not have Knoweth G-d acording to
1 John 4:8.

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False Prophecy proves JW are wrong

by Donald Fitz in

the history of the watchtower organization is kept secret from new members and its own history is proof that the god of the bible would not accept these false prophets and false doctrines in his church body.. the founder of the jehova witness was named charles russell from pa. russell stated that in 1799 the end times started and that in 1874 christ invisibly returned to earth to rule.

russells prophecy was that in 1914 the world would come to an end.

russell changed that date to 1915 and later to 1918. russell claimed that only his published books could allow people to correctly understand the bible.

MikeNightHaShev

Then I hope you are not Christian because Jesus himself falls into that category of false prophets who failed his predictions.

Let's review a little bit of everyones blunders:
FAILED END-OF-THE-WORLD PREDICTIONS WHICH WERE TO OCCUR BEFORE 1998
From 30-90 ad the gospels recorded many failed predictions of end times:
in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. more failed end time rants can be found in (I Cor. 10:11 -KJV) (Heb. 1:2 -KJV) (I Peter 1:20 -KJV) (I Peter 4:7 -KJV)(1 John 2:15-17) (I John 2:18 -KJV)

About 60 CE: Paul of Tarsus believed that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before
400 CE. 500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon
at about this year 992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.
1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE only because they weren't educated to know of the story of Yeshu ben Pandera who lived a century before the dating of the icon.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.
**Notice a pattern where people displace why the events didn't occur, they keep pushing the dates farther and farther rather then admit they have been deceived. **
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets. 1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205. 1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded. 1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. If they knew what SEA meant they would have known that 1/3 the fish (Christians) in the sea (Rome) meant Christians in Roman teritory who did die when Rome was trying to remove Christianity before they adopted the sect to mask their unity movement similar to the one you see today. Most unexecusable was the fact they diplaced the blame onto the Jews for the Plague to hide the fact it was their fault as the Christians had previously killed many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague. 16XX Mother Shipton, a 16th century mystic predicted the end of the world: "The world to an end shall come; in eighteen hundred and eighty-one."
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist. *Yikes* 1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year. 1832: Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice and interpreted it as implying that if he lived to the age of 85, Jesus would return. This would be the year 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.
1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.
1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and transferred to heaven by APR-22.
1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened. 1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would happen in 1973. Back in the 70's Pastor Arnold Murray of Chepherds Chapel predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.
1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa CA predicted the rapture in 1981.
1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years previously that the world would end in the fall of 1982.
1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.
1988: Hal Lindsey predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to blunder on prophecy like his y2k scare and other mistakes yet still writes books of prophecy which sell very well indeed. I and others have continually outted his false prophecy and scripture interps yet he's stilll allowed to teach.
1989: Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989. Benny Hinn tells everyone The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God. 1990-APR-23: Elizabeth Clare Prophet, leader of the Church Universal and Triumphant made a series of statements that many members believed indicated the start of nuclear war on this date. At least 2,000 followers traveled Montana to occupy CUT's fallout shelters.
1992-OCT-28: Lee Jang Rim, a Korean Christian pastor, taught that the Rapture would occur on this date, at 10:00 AM EST. It didn't happen; many of his followers allegedly committed suicide. 1993: Benny Hinn, an Assemblies of God pastor from Florida predicted that the rapture would come in 1993. He also said that God would destroy all homosexuals by 1995 at the latest.
1993 to 1997: Rulon Jeffs was spokesperson for the The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Mormon polygamist splinter group. In 1993, he allegedly told high school graduates to not attend college. The reasoning was that the world would end before they could finish. Now why are some of these people still followed or allowed to teach when the bible makes it clear about the world NOT ENDING, but also about these false prophets who do not speak for G-d.

Ezekiel CH 13, Deut 18:20-22, Isa. 30:10, Jer. 5:30-31, 14:14, 23:16, 26, 31-32. Sources:Religious tolerance web site, with my additions and commentary and follow up lesson with bible verse as that source.

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Where is the proof???

by tracysdad in

where is the scriptural proof that jesus christ is michael the archangel?

is there one verse that states as such?

can michael be worshipped as christ was?

MikeNightHaShev

First off Jesus was called an angel in one verse, it simply means messenger/prophet.
Your transgressions in making portraits out of context of the meaning of the words and creating mythical characters through other cultures myths is why you can't see reality of the story being told.
(real people real events)
Jesus was refered to as the Nazarene (from the word nazarei=guardian, not meaning a person from Nazareth which Nazarite would have been the correct term)
Cherub meant guardian.
Jesus claim as angel:
Rev 22:16 calling himself Bright morning star.
Stars=angels proof:
Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Being arch messenger means top prophet messenger/Bright or great star.
aka Messiah.

However your confusion and the JW confusion comes from not realizing that the first arch messenger Jesus is the fallen great star which causes people to be bitter and poisonous to the spiritual waters.
"wormwood" was a poisonous and bitter herb thus representing making the waters both bitter and poisonous in REV 8.
In Ezekiel 28:14 the fallen one is called
anointed (Christ) Cherub (Nazarene).
Everything discussed in 28:6-10 occured in the Jesus story-try reading Ezekiel 28 carefully to see the resemblance.

Now since the JW's know the Moshiach would be Michael (because the bible makes it obvious and clear, then they assumed this first christ was Michael since Michael of the Bible would be Moshiach, forgetting that there is the issue of the Imposter.
So you are correct Jesus wasn't Michael for Michael has to be named Michael to be prophecy, however since the bible expects Michael as the Shiloh "one who's right it is" this means someone was in place of theiving that right=Jesus.
So JW's have the correct name and expectations of Kingdom on earth yet are still deceived by the figure Rome compiled called Jesus.

Maybe this will help shed light on a reality way of interpreting the story where it now makes sense to you:

http://www.netcolony.com/members/hamoshiach/angels.html

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Proof the Bible Cannot Be Trusted

by JosephAlward in

objective observers know that the bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies.

for example, genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.

matthew's genealogy is completely different than luke's.

MikeNightHaShev

Why Pmegranate must you abuse the bible with your own false commentary?
In Genesis it's specifically in context talking about Physical light and physical darkness which is why it makes sure you know with the words following it in verse 19 calling it making up a day.
This means by it's specific reference it does NOT want you to confuse it with spiritual light and spiritual darkness.
The only deep reference you are to gather from this is a duality balance in his creation, however physical light or mystical teachings of Phosphorus/luciferian light is not something you want to be teaching as good or inspired because Physical light actually detracts the intuitive (brings ignorance) and those false teachings are actually *spiritually dark* because they are lies as well.
*(Spiritual darkness=Lies and ignorance)*