my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Simon,
Take the contents of my private email off of your public internet forum, or I shall be contacting your ISP. I do not give you permission to post it here. How dare you.
I have answered your questions, both in this thread and in private email.
DELETE MY ACCOUNT.
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
MegaDude: That was a cheap shot.
LuckLucy: Had you even bothered to follow the link for the site that was collecting the donations, you would see that the amount was tracked, refunds are available for 30 days, and no "scam" was involved.
If you continue to accuse me of the crime of robbery I will seek legal redress against you and Simon, who seems concerned about 4 letter words, but not libel.
writerpen: A good writer avoids self-serving false analogies.
Jesika: I have spent many hours on the phone with Bill. I know him well enough, and I have not attacked him or his motives, here.
Simon: I have addressed your concerns in private email, where they belong.
Cassiline: We have filed a police report. We are in communication with the Montgomery Country DA's office. We are working with them. I will not comment on our legal case any further, and I am not sure what you are trying to imply.
Amazing that a group of adults still can't deal with disagreements without resorting to such behavior.
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Again, what I have said is being mischaracterized. So be it.
It seems to me that some of you have left the religion, but not the narrow and conservative thinking that made you an easy victim of it. I can see that, because I have been there.
I wish you all peace on your journey.
Englishman: while you are deleting my use of the word**** from an earlier post, you can delete my account as well. I don't wish to be censored any further, by anyone.
Mike Pence
Edited by - Englishman on 20 August 2002 18:32:45
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Simon,
I am not other people, I have not raised funds for anything else on your site. I have made very clear statements about refunds, etc. on this thread.
The details on the march were just released, revealing this agenda.
I have not called for a riot, and I do not appreciate my remarks being misrepresented in that way. I am calling for freedom of expression, which is an essential part of the healing process for victims of abuse.
Don't squelch the roar of the silent lambs to fit some misguided conception of how things 'should' be.
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Simon,
I would think that such concerns would be more appropriately expressed in private email, unless your intent is to raise doubts about my character.
Mike
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
expatbrit:
I endorse the idea of a compromise. Let there be two processions. One that wants to be controlled, and one that wants to openly express their emotions in whatever way they, as victims of abuse, feel that they need to.
But, there has been no expression of support of such a concept from silentlambs. It has all been, 'it is our show, our rules.' As long as that is the case, there can be no compromise.
If it were me, I would say: Why not open up the march to anyone who wants to protest the policies of Jehovah's Witnesses? Why the restrictions? If thousands of people showed up, and there was live music, chanting crowds -- maybe even a little tear gas -- so what? The media would say, "Wow, there is a lot of emotion here. We need to find out why..."
A couple of dozen people walking calmly down the street to protest against the Watchtower, as one friend put it, has a name at Bethel. They call it 'Tuesday.' It is no big deal.
Let's make it a big deal. Why not?
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Thanks, Brian.
We still have every intention of going to Pennsylvania, and pressing civil and criminal charges. It is the march up the courthouse stairs that they really feel, in the end.
Peace,
Mike
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Stinky Pantz. Stop the personal attacks and go away. You are not helping.
Expressing anger is a key part of the healing process for victims of abuse. The sky is blue. Gravity makes things heavy. These should all be obvious statements.
See this, http://incestabuse.about.com/library/weekly/aa010598.htm
Go, read, learn: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=abuse+victims+anger+recovery+healing&btnG=Google+Search
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Simon,
Pennsylvania statute requires us to be present to make these charges and to be interviewed by detectives, etc. If I could do it from Arizona, I would.
Mike
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
This is my final word on this topic. I feel that I have been abundantly clear.
*I* don't have another agenda to promote. I am not particularly interested in getting arrested. Though, if you think about it, that would certainly gain attention for the issue. But, that is another topic.
My children, victims of child sex abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses, do not want to participate in a march where they are told how to act when they confront their abuser, the Watchtower society.
No one should be telling anyone else how to act in such a situation. Go read a ******** book on psychology, for chrissakes. Better yet, call and talk to my wife and kids at 602-318-5442 and ask them to explain it to you. Please!
Unlike Bill Bowen, whom I love and respect, I have victims of child sex abuse at home. I have a wife who was a battered lamb for 20 years. I know the needs of victims of abuse.
Is this a press event, or is this really "for the children?"
Edited by - Englishman on 20 August 2002 16:30:41
