Posts by Mindchild

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If Your Child or Friend Told You They Were Gay, Would You Be Disturbed?

by minimus in

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friends

as a jehovah's witness, you know that you cannot practice homosexuality.

it's considered a sin.

if your friend or relative revealed that they were gay, you would be obligated to "report" them to the elders.

Mindchild

Several years after I left the Borg, I made a lot of male friends in college. One of my male friends I had known for months turned out to be gay. It took me a few weeks to accept the news without thinking it was all some kind of eloborate joke. When I knew for sure he was gay, it was just another thing I realized that the Watchtower Society and the Bible lied about. It is completely acceptable in my book for anyone to be gay. It didn't then, nor does it now threaten my own feelings of being hetrosexual. It is simply a choice that perhaps has some biological influences.

Skipper

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Stunning new field ministry technology shocks Witnesses

by Mindchild in

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nowadays, most congregations would love some extra help to cover their territories and someone who actually shows up for theocratic ministry school assignments.

our 2003 brother and sister multifunction robots fit the bill quite nicely, thanks.

don't want to get out of bed on saturday morning to go door to door?

Mindchild

Nowadays, most congregations would love some extra help to cover their territories and someone who actually shows up for Theocratic Ministry School assignments. Our 2003 brother and sister multifunction robots fit the bill quite nicely, thanks.

? Don't want to get out of bed on Saturday morning to go door to door? Click your remote and send your Brother Robot to do the knocking for you. His Robot's voice circuitry can deliver your presentation, and his on-board video camera gives you a nice close-up view of any hot female householders, who can hop onto his platform and be delivered to you in the bedroom .

? Need some help getting the Kingdom Hall cleaned? Sister Robot is happy to help.

? Need to leave a lasting impression on your unruly kids? Tell it to Sister Robot, and she'll chase them down and use the built in stun gun feature to calm them down.

FEATURES

? Designed and built at Watchtower International Robotics.

? The most advanced adult-size theocratic remote-controlled robots out there.

? Both have on-board computers for user-friendly functionality for the more dim witted in your congregations.

? In fact, Brother Robot is designed to respond empathetically to us humans because of reading the Watchtower daily.

? When their power lights signal you, just plug them into any outlet to juice them up to full speed.

? Our life-size Robots stand nearly six feet tall and are made out of solid steel to handle abuse in the field ministry or from your spouse.

? Our exclusive package includes much more, like preprogrammed massages and sequences of hot dance floor steps, and training for the humans.

For more information, and to order, please call 1-877-WER-BORG

Item

His & Her Robots

Price

$400,000.00

OCBF4_O2048

P.S. These are actually real robots. I perverted a catalog entry from Neiman Marcus Online. You can see and purchase the robots at this link: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook2003/F4O2048.htm

Skipper

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What Is Your Dream Car

by SanFranciscoJim in

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i love my little neon and wouldn't get rid of it for anything, but if i could have my "dream" car, it would be this:.

1972 citroen maserati sm coupe.

what's your "dream" car?

Mindchild

My dream car has changed over the years.

When I was a dub, the potty wagon would have been useful when I was pioneering. Now, I need a little yellow in my life.

Skipper

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Creative Ways in Which You Have Gotten A Job

by berylblue in

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a little too tipsy right now to elucidate...but i think i've already bored you all to tears on my job situation...so..... i'm doing all the "normal" things.. in what ways have you gotten jobs other than the usual?.

thanks,.

Mindchild

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way...but I've never had a hard time finding a job when I wanted one. It is not that I'm superman but I learned a few secrets about jobs...having had so many of them when I was younger, and having set up businesses and corporations later in my life.

First....think outside of the box. If you use the want ads to try to find a job, there is going to be hundreds if not thousands of others there trying to get the same damn job. If you have better qualifications than anyone else, cool go for it, if not you would be better off looking somewhere else.

Second...look at yourself critically and ask yourself honestly...would you hire you if you were applying for the job? What can you offer someone? Why are you worth the money? I've often made myself jobs by doing research on the type of companies I wanted to work for and called them beforehand to find out how well the business was doing. I would put together a pitch and a customized resume and strut in there and do myself, and 5/10 times get the job on the spot.

Third...ask yourself, do you really want a job flipping burgers, cleaning toilets, or just plain general labor? What do you really want to do? I have often gotten jobs with ZERO experience because I wanted to learn a new occupation. For example, I wanted to be a truck driver once and walked into the office of Shell Oil Company and told them I was there to work. The owner looked at me and said, "I have an 18 wheeler sitting outside full of gas. You think you can drive that thing?" I replied 'I don't see why not." He threw me the keys and told me the route was on the passenger seat. Now, at the time I hadn't even drove anything bigger than a pickup truck...but dammit I wanted this job. So, I got the owner's manual out of the glove box and read it on the spot, for how to shift the gears....and off I went. Never got in a wreck either, LOL. My point is, you can do what you want to do if you apply yourself and have some courage.

Fourth, if you are really smart, instead of thinking forever about what kind of job you can get, go blow $18 and get a copy of Robert Kiyosaki's book "Retire Young Retire Rich" When you read this, you will find out why working for a living is a piss poor strategy and never gets you ahead. Yes, there is a better way.

Kind Regards,

Skipper

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Wives Should Provide Sex On Demand - Dr. Laura

by Mindchild in

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i couldn't believe that i was reading this in the news....http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7446555%255e13762,00.html ok, dear it might fix my headache.

by george gordon.

october 3, 2003. .

Mindchild

I couldn't believe that I was reading this in the news....

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7446555%255E13762,00.html

OK, dear it might fix my headache By George Gordon
October 3, 2003

WOMEN are duty-bound to provide their husbands with sex on demand, claims a controversial book on achieving wedded bliss.

Wives have a "loving obligation" to have sex whenever they are asked for it - even if they are not in the mood, says American author Dr Laura Schlessinger.

The 56-year-old sex therapist and radio host says marriages will survive and improve if men are viewed as a "gift from God".

And she urges women to stop nagging and whining, saying: "Be honest girls, that's what we do".

Her book, The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, will not be published until January, but it has already been labelled "outrageous" by feminists, marriage experts and psychologists.

Dr Schlessinger, who has a PhD in psychology, has written 60 books on marriage and attracts 100 million listeners every week to her radio show.

Her moralistic views have often clashed head-on with those who view marriage as an equal partnership.

In her latest book, she writes: "If husbands are expected to go to work and earn money and visit relatives they don't like, why can't wives put out on demand?"

Marriage counsellor Jennie Bergat condemned Dr Schlessinger's remarks.

"It is outrageous. Women have a right to be tired and if a woman is not in the mood, a man should respect that," Ms Bergat said.

"When you sign a marriage certificate you don't surrender privacy and rights. She is declaring that women are chattels to be used at the man's whim."

The Australian

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Vicki Boer and Donations

by hillary_step in

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if any of you wish to kindly make donations to vicki boer, we are formulating a vehicle to attend to this as we speak.. we have been in touch with vicki, who is understandably deeply distressed at the turn of events that have forced her to relive much of the trauma which she hoped that this court case would put to rest, and are wresting a plan which would allow her to receive personal donations aimed at her well-being rather than enriching either the wts or her advisers.. an address will be forthcoming shortly, together with a paypal email address which will allow you to send your donations or well-wishes to vicki, scott and the girls.

it will not be a canadian address or bank account.

there are a number of important points that any donators would need to assess before donating any cash:.

Mindchild

Thank you Hillary for your kind and prompt reply.

I think you gave an adequate hearing for the concerns I raised and clearly stated that these funds are not specifically targeted for WTS fees or attorney fees. Thus, the WTS shouldn't be able to make any formal complaints over the fact that individuals may choose to send funds to the Boer's for whatever reason they wish.

Thank you also for your assurances and efforts to ensure the gifts to the Boer family are handled responsibly.

I now return you gentle and not so gentle site participants back to your thread. Sorry about the speed bump.

Kind Regards,

Skipper

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Vicki Boer and Donations

by hillary_step in

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friends

if any of you wish to kindly make donations to vicki boer, we are formulating a vehicle to attend to this as we speak.. we have been in touch with vicki, who is understandably deeply distressed at the turn of events that have forced her to relive much of the trauma which she hoped that this court case would put to rest, and are wresting a plan which would allow her to receive personal donations aimed at her well-being rather than enriching either the wts or her advisers.. an address will be forthcoming shortly, together with a paypal email address which will allow you to send your donations or well-wishes to vicki, scott and the girls.

it will not be a canadian address or bank account.

there are a number of important points that any donators would need to assess before donating any cash:.

Mindchild

Hillary,

I hope you don?t object to my bringing up a few issues with your post in this thread. My intention is NOT to discourage anyone from donating funds to Vicki Boer, but to ask a few questions about the methodology you are describing and to get some puzzling statements you made in your post cleared up.

The first concern that I have, is that you are not being pessimistic enough in thinking through the donation process at this stage in time. The main issue I have is that it is no secret that the Society monitors this website. It would hardly come as any surprise then that they would read the threads related to donating funds towards paying for Vicki Boer?s legal expenses. It is also hard to miss that several people here (not counting interest in any other ex-JW websites) support the idea of contributing funds to help pay these unfair legal expenses. Having said all this, don?t you think it is possible that we may not be doing Vicki Boer any favors? In fact, if the Society really wasn?t interested in collecting the money but rather was using this as a means to deter others from bringing similar lawsuits against them, the fact that you have a large group of people willing to pay these legal fees changes the equation. It might just trigger them to pursue the fight to collect these fees even more aggressively.

Even worse, there is a public record now on this board of setting up a donation vehicle (as you call it) that covertly channels funds to Vicki Boer. Can you imagine how this can play into the Watchtower lawyers? hands if they made a complaint to the judge that there is evidence that Vicki Boer was receiving undocumented funds by an organized group fighting the Watchtower Society? Not only could this change the mood of the judge, it could open up the Boers for possible audits from tax authorities in Canada.

I wouldn?t have such concerns if there was a definitive ruling already in place as towards the terms and conditions of payment of legal fees to the Watchtower Society. But as far as I can determine, this hasn?t taken place yet. If the judge has for example ordered a $1,000 per month to be paid by the Boer?s for their obligatory legal fees, and then someone came along and organized a funding system, there is little motivation for the other team to go to court and bitch about it.

The other item I wanted to bring up is this. As you said?

My own feeling is that the WTS are not interested in Vicki?s money and that is not why they pushed this issue with the Court. They are fully aware of the impossibility of Vicki paying this large sum of money to them, or even being able to pay her lawyers.

Okay, if this is indeed the case, and people from this board donated funds on the expectation that the funds be used for paying the unreasonable Watchtower legal fees, then there exists the possibility that some people who donated money wouldn?t be very happy about the situation. I have no objection at all for anyone donating money to the Boer?s for whatever reason they desire. If however, there is a marketing campaign, as there already is for paying the Watchtower legal fees, and those fees never materialize?well you get my drift.

This same thought ties in with the other statement you made:

7) NOT ONE PENNY of your money will be given to the WTS or any other body for that matter!( let the reader use discernment ).

Just what is the money being used for then, if not to pay the court judgment? My discernment seems to be a little rusty today...

Please don't view this as an attack on your fine efforts and others to help out the Boer's. My main concern is to potentially avoid causing more harm by our good intentions.

Skipper

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I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy

by Mindchild in

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all around in my home town

they're trying to track me down

they say they want to bring me in guilty

Mindchild

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy

All around in my home town

They're trying to track me down

They say they want to bring me in guilty

For the killing of a deputy

For the life of a deputy

But I say:

I shot the sheriff, but I swear it was in self-defense

I shot the sheriff, and they say it is a capital offense

It makes my head spin like an old LP when I think back and remember some of the differences in my thinking when I was a Witness compared to my post theocratic evolution. There is probably no better example of a defining difference than my attitude back then and current views now of breaking the LAW.

Sheriff John Brown always hated me

For what I don't know

Every time that I plant a seed

He said, "Kill it before it grows"

I say:

I shot the sheriff, but I swear it was in self-defense

I remember once getting hauled on the carpet when I was pioneering because of my driving habits. Yeah, I admit it, I was a real ?Jehu? back then (remember the wild and reckless driver of Biblical reference?) and I got ratted out by someone who watched me driving like a wild man coming back from an assembly. The verbal tongue lashing droned on and on about my duty to stop at every stop sign, even if it was way out in the middle of nowhere, to never speed, never run a red light and so on. The only time I was to break the law of course was to further Organizational principles?yeah we all know that line.

Freedom came my way one day

And I started out of town

All of a sudden I see sheriff John Brown

Aiming to shoot me down

So I shot, I shot him down

I say:

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy

Well all that B.S. is now history. I don?t give a rat?s ass about anything the Watchtower Society thinks my duty is but am I justified in feeling that way towards the culture I live in? Namely, am I supposed to obey all their laws? Hell NO. I think it is a duty to deliberately break some unjust and harmful laws.

It doesn?t take a rocket scientist to see things are really screwed up in many Western countries, especially the United States. We make it illegal now to carry nail clippers in airports because they might be used as a weapon. Last year, Oregon firefighters were not allowed to tackle a large forest fire in a region designated a wilderness area, and endangering the homes of 17,000 people. Politicians are always finding new rationalizations for their favorite pastime, taking away our income. Police seize people?s computers just on the suspicion of holding porn. They can take DNA samples and fingerprints from anyone they arrest, even if not accused of any crime. There are laws allowing bureaucrats to seize and confiscate most of the assets of ?criminals? and this often means that in some states you lose your vehicle, boat, or home just for having smoked a little pot. Ever wonder what happens to you if you get busted with a joint in Alabama? Try life in prison.

Reflexes got the better of me

And what is to be must be

Every day the bucket goes to the well

But one day the bottom will drop out

Yes, one day the bottom will drop out

But I say:

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy, oh no

So, where do you draw the line? Is anything okay as long as it doesn?t hurt someone else? Is it just a matter of weighing the consequences of getting caught? Do you have a duty to break or at least protest against unjust laws or not?

Skipper

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So who has a song which mentions her/his name?

by berylblue in

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friends

smile a little smile for me, rosemarie, rosemarie.

Mindchild

Well it isn't any big secret what my theme song is...lol

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
a tale of a fateful trip,
that started from this tropic port,
aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailin' man,
the Skipper brave and sure,
five passengers set sail that day,
for a three hour tour,
a three hour tour.

The weather started getting rough,
the tiny ship was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
the Minnow would be lost.
The Minnow would be lost.

The ship aground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle
with Gilligan,
the Skipper too.
A millionaire and his wife,
a movie star,
the proffessor and Mary Ann,
here on Gilligan's Isle.

So this is the tale of our castaways,
there here for a long long time.
They'll have to make the best of things,
it's an uphill climb.
The first mate and his Skipper too
will do their very best,
to make the others comf'terble
in their tropic island nest.
No phone ,no lights, no motor car,
not a single luxury
like Robinson Crusoe
it's primitive as can be.
So join us here each week my friends,
you're sure to get a smile,
from seven stranded castaways
here on Gilligan's Isle!

Skipper

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How to Help Vicki Boer Right Now

by Frannie Banannie in

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friends

get this harsh ruling to the media...pronto!!

go to your search engine and enter newspapers....it'll give you a ton of 'em....start clicking, emailing them a copied and pasted version of the canadian justice's decision against vicki boer in her case....get the word out....also, do the same regarding the tv news media...cnn, larry king, 20/20, 60 mins., 48 hrs., etc.....flood them with emails.... .

frannie b

Mindchild

Oh Damn...

Well thank you HS for sharing that. Too bad they have a way around that embarassment. I suppose dumping a ton of loose pennies wouldn't help much either, but it would make me feel better...grrrrr

Skipper (not in the kick them when their down class)