Farkel, there does not seem to be any way I can help you understand the basic argument I presented. It is a simple matter of persons, like yourself, taking an unnecessary risk. If you want to do so then so be it. But you do not have to in order to get your point across and that is what I tried to help you with. You evidently aren't concerned about it, so just ignore the thread. But given your participation, it clearly does bother your. That is why you are trying to minimize it in public and in your own mind. I understand.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Gladiator,
Yes I understand that. Taking risks is a part of life. My concern is that many of you are taking an unnecessary risk. As I said, you can argue against JWs but without setting yourself up against a potentially existing God. It is not a course of wisdom to, without any reason, put oneself in such risky position when you do not have to do it. The risks of life you speak of are unavoidable in most cases, and where they are avoidable most thinking persons avoid them and take roads that are less risky unless they have face the risk in order to achieve their goals. Such is not that case here.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Jan, I raised the issue so I am clearly not afraid of it. But you resort to name-calling, which is a clear sign of being intimidated.
I said that just because the JWs are wrong on certain issues does not make you right. What else could I possibly have meant than that the person is not necessarily right about the thing the JWs got wrong?
I understand it may be hard for you to admit you are wrong, even on such a simple point like this. But that is the way with many anti-religionists: They cower behind name-calling and misunderstood arguments.
My point was simple: No one knows for absolute certainly if the biblical God exists or not. But there is no wisdom in blaspheming a potentially-existing God when you don't have to! You can make the same points against the JWs using less hate and blasphemy, but you don't. Since there is no advantage in acting this way, but a very possible disadvantage, you show a lack of wisdom. The same is true if you were speaking blasphemously about any other potentially-existing God. You can make your arguments without out-and-out blasphemy and hate. It would also be a course of wisdom in not pitting yourself against the possibility of error.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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JAVA,
Can you please stop misrepresenting Vienna? She/he agreed with me. Since you do not agree with me, you certainly cannot agree with her/him. Do you understand this?
You quoted me and claimed it was mean. Where? Can you be more specific? Just because I do not agree with you and point out that many of you are hateful, negative and blasphemous, is not mean. It is true! Do you deny that there is a great deal of hate on this board? Negativity? Blasphemy?
The point of my post was not to give you "crap." But to outline the risk haters and blasphemers on this board are taking. That risk is real. The haters and blasphemers may have nothing to worry about, so long as God does not exist. But therein lies the risk. A wise person would take a course that does not so blatantly expose him to such a risk and still make the same poitns. So why not minimize your risk? Do you understand this now?
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Slayer,
For such a simple point you apparently skipped right over it.
The point is this: There is a risk involved because you don't know if God, the biblical God, exists or not. Many people believe it is obvious from various manifestations of his intelligence, but others say he does not exist because of theories that they believe explain away alleged proofs of his existence. Either way, there is a measure of risk. You could be wrong.
A wise person would evaluate the risk and act in a manner that creates as little risk as possible for him or his family, not thrust his hand in the fire just to see if it will get burnt or not. Maybe you'll pull it back in time, maybe it's too hot even for brief exposure. The point is, with any chance that you could be wrong, why act like a blasphemer and subject yourself and your family to risk when you can make the same points against the JWs without acting like a blasphemer?
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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joelbear, that is commendable. Not all apostates or former JWs act in a blasphemous capacity. But it seems that on many JWs bashing boards the majority are no better than the JWs and may in fact be worse. They are certainly putting themselves in a worse position. Unless God does not exist that is.
But you obviously believe in Jesus Christ. Do you believe he would approve of his follower's association and support of known blasphemers? Should a Christian try to help others by associating with those who hate or who otherwise belittle and mock Christ/God?
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Farkel, I did make an argument. You missed it.
My argument was actually very simple: Apostates, like yourself, act in a way that does not honor God or Jesus Christ. Even if your points on certain issues are correct, the attitude or manner in which you present them is unChristian.
So you are taking a great risk when you could make the same points by acting in a Christian manner. You and others choose not to do so. If there is in fact a biblical God, who is the same in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, then right or wrong you are facing a perilous end. There is no point in your quibbling about whether it is the same God, for either the Hebrew Bible God or the Christian Bible God would not support the methods you and others use to make your point. Neither God would support any claimed Christian befriending blasphemers in the process of helping JWs.
My argument, simple as it was, points out that you are taking a great risk either way you look at it. It is a simple question or what will happen to you "if."
I understand why you would want to hide from this scenario. If I would in your shoes, argued the way you do, made friends with those who proudly declare their disdain for the very idea of "God," then I would do everything possible to rid my thoughts of such an outlook. But that doesn't change much in the way of what may await you, at death or at the end of the world.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Jan, you wrote, "If I say JWs are wrong about something, and they are wrong, then it follows logically that I am correct about that. Duh!"
You would be correct about their being wrong (obviously) but that does not make you right about the issue itself. Do you understand this?
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Most of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against God. Even if many of you are right in saying that the JWs are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right. So unless you are convinced that there is no biblical God you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the Lord comes during your lifetime. If you’re convinced there is no biblical God then I guess you’re okay if you end up being right.
The problem you apostates face either way is this: You are taking one heck of a risk and the consequences for failure could not be greater.
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CAPUT
Caput inter nublia: Kent
Caput lupinum: Philo
Caput mortuum: AlanF
CANIS
Canis minor: OrangeBlossom
Canis major: biblexaminer
Canis in praesepi: Tallyman
GROS
Grosse tete, peu de sens: TR
I'm sure more will come to mind.
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