Posts by mrmagic

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Taking bets on how long this cult will last and what will happen to it

by macys in

i wanna make a poll here.

how many years do you think the jdub cult will exist as is and what will happen to it?.

i say the growth stops this year and starts to decline.

mrmagic

It's hard to say how long Watchtower will be around. When you're talking about an organization like the Watchtower, you're talking about a system that is comprised of many smaller systems within it.

Additionally, you have ever changing uncertainty to deal with, as well as emergence of larger forces due to all those smaller variables.

You also have unexpected consequences to deal with and couple that with exponentially increasing computer/technology power and you have a recipe for some interesting probabilities.

Technology is the equalizer. It equalizes the power and the playing field. Now the average person can cause a ripple effect of positive change.

Most people don't really understand Moore's Law of exponential returns. Computer technology does hot advance the same tomorrow as it did today. It doubles the doubling of the doubling that was doubled by the previous doubling. (Example: So what used to take 20 years of progress in technology now takes a day. Tomorrow that same 20 years of progress will only take 12 hours. The day after that 6 hours. ) (The Age of Spiritual Machines. by Ray Kurzweil)

Everything has a life cycle and that includes religions/cults. One thing for sure...the organization has been forced to make change. Change is the crucial key. Although many of the changes have ranged from ridiculously lame to completely bizarre....it is still *change* that the organization has been forced to make. There is an interruption to their status quo and now it seems like they are in hot water financially.

I personally don't think it will even take 5 years for them to completely die out as they are now. There may be things within the organization that none of us know yet, that if we knew would change our opinion about the time frame to Watchtower's self-Armageddon. However, this is just my guess in the dark with absolutely no concrete evidence to support my theory/opinion

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Is it really that great being one of the Governing Body Members?

by John Aquila in

movie stars travel to, or buy their own private beaches, they get invited to fun parties, and are able to buy not one, but several fast sport cars like jay leno.

they can buy their own planes and helicopters and fly them like harrison ford.

(how much fun would that be?

mrmagic

Easy access to kids all across the globe.....predators will pretend to be anything , including a JW and GB, to have that kind of access to kids. Yes, like so many others have said, they want power, adulation and money.....but more so than anything..... it gives them free range access to a steady supply of obedient kids.

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The JWs in the crowd gasped in Australian court..

by koolaid-man in

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friends

shocking information near the bottom of this report from a watchtower lawyer definding the organization in australian courts.focus on the information under the heading: "the faithful and discreet slave".

quite the shocker... the society's lawyer statesthere is no true physical body of people, but only a theological arrangement.

the jws in the crowd gasped.

mrmagic

Well well ...I see Rick Fearon exploiting people even here on this site....

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US Royal Commission or Something Like it

by mrmagic in

what would be the equivalent of a us version of the royal commission?

i'm not just asking about one specific governmental entity, but perhaps even a conglomerate of entities or series of events that would need to take place to cause a domino effect....a tipping point.

who do you think needs to be contacted that can turn around and contact a lot of others?looking for thoughts and ideas.

mrmagic

Lieu I was thinking the same thing. Thanks for that point.

The girl next door - great post! I didn't know that there was a Presidential Commission in the US. I will dig into that further and see if we can get some contacts to communicate with.

JWdaughter I also agree that the actual "judicial committees" and their processes are flawed. This point is very important, and it is something that does need a closer look by all officials and governmental agencies, in terms of understanding the overall JW mindset.

Thank you all for posting your thoughts and information. Helps a lot.

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You? Armchair Activist Wanted - Looking to form a Team of Letter Writers/Researchers

by mrmagic in

are you interested?

looking for a team of armchair activists;.

purpose: to connect everybody to everybody and to get them to connect the big picture about wtbs which is that it is suspected that watchtower has a child pedophile/child porn ring within it.

mrmagic

SecretSlaveClass thank you for thoughts on this, as well as understanding the intention. It is easy to misunderstand things sometimes online.

OrphanCrow hello there and I'd like to thank you as well for taking the time to post your thoughts. Really, I did not think of the judicial committees in this way, and you do certainly have some valid points.

defenderofTruth hello again. I appreciate you trying to answer questions from other posters here, however I'd like for you to consider everyone's ideas here as valid and important, even if they disagree with the content/resource kit/letter template. I prefer to answer and communicate with people who have posted here directly. I do appreciate your good intentions and thank you for the time and efforts you've put into things so far.

I appreciate everyone's input here. In any case it boils down to one of two paths;

1. You don't agree/like what this post is about. You are not comfortable spreading the ideas presented - Your thoughts and feelings are valid. You have my blessings to continue you on your own path/journey. :)

2. You may/may not completely agree, but you do want to bring more awareness to the ideas presented.Or you want to explore the ideas with an open mind and do some of your own research on it.

There is a lot more information to this in the works and it takes some time to go through all of the information. So I believe that I've covered everything. Anything further, you can message in private.

Thanks again everyone! I am confident that you have been authentic and truthful in communicating your thoughts/ideas/opinions/comments and that is really refreshing. Great group of people here!

Although I was looking for a few helpers (which some great folks have responded and started working on things arlready). I think the most important thing that has happened is a dialogue and a discussion about the topic that started. Carry on. Private messages will be checked and responded to periodically as time permits.

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You? Armchair Activist Wanted - Looking to form a Team of Letter Writers/Researchers

by mrmagic in

are you interested?

looking for a team of armchair activists;.

purpose: to connect everybody to everybody and to get them to connect the big picture about wtbs which is that it is suspected that watchtower has a child pedophile/child porn ring within it.

mrmagic

Interesting mix of reactions here. Appreciate everyone's thoughts, opinions, and comments here. If you do not agree with parts of the resource kit and/or the letter, feel free to create your own resource kits and letters, along with your own designated purpose.

Umbertoecho hi there and thanks for responding. As you can see in the screen shot below, I've highlighted the word "suspected" in my original post. If you do not feel comfortable with the information in the resource kit and the direction of the letter, then that is perfectly fine :) I encourage you to have a look at it to spark your own ideas for letters and/or resource kits if you feel so inclined.

Abiblestudent, hello there and thank you for your response/information and links as well. Looks like there's a lot of work to do isn't there?

averagejoe, greetings and thanks for the links. For now, we'll stick to the Watchtower project at hand,however, you're most welcome to deal with police injustice, another important area.

Thanks again.
Mr Magic

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You? Armchair Activist Wanted - Looking to form a Team of Letter Writers/Researchers

by mrmagic in

are you interested?

looking for a team of armchair activists;.

purpose: to connect everybody to everybody and to get them to connect the big picture about wtbs which is that it is suspected that watchtower has a child pedophile/child porn ring within it.

mrmagic

Are you interested? Looking for a team of armchair activists;

Purpose: To connect everybody to everybody and to get them to connect the big picture about WTBS which is that it is suspected that Watchtower has a child pedophile/child porn ring within it. (See resource kit for documentation and the mind map posted with this post for the big picture)

No picket signs required
No fighting, yelling, screaming
No risk of jail time
No need to even leave your home
You can take a break any time
No one looking over your shoulder
Experience digital empowerment

No stress, no fuss. You don't even have to wreck your brain on what to write. Letter writing template can be sent to you, so that you can quickly and easily write your own version. A list of contacts with their emails can be sent to you and you can simply copy and paste for the most part.

Five emails could be done in all of five minutes or less. Do five emails every two or three days. The average person knows approximately 600 people according to NY times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/science/the-average-american-knows-how-many-people.html?_r=0)

So 5 x 600 = 3000. If you sent out emails to 5 people three times a week 5 x 3=15 x 600 = 9,000 people you've potentially reached within a week's time. Of course these are numbers and in practice things always come out different, however, you do understand that whatever little you do can have an exponentially lasting and positive effect.

These emails go to hubs that are connected to a lot of people in positions of power, so consider that your simple mouse clicks as super powerful tools right at your finger tips.

This is not an official group, but instead a team of everyday people. This is self-organizing system. Let me know if you're interested by pm'ing me your email address and whether you're interested in emailing, researching or both.

You count. You matter. You are worthy. You have the power.

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Could the Independent Inquiry in England and Wales expose jw.org's child abuse failures? And how can we help?

by defender of truth in

with all the talk about the org's policies and failures regarding child sexual abuse being publically exposed in australia, i thought that it may be a good time to highlight this... i apologise if this has already been discussed, but on the 9th of july the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales was opened.

here is some information regarding it's aims.. "about the inquiry.

the inquiry offers an unprecedented opportunity to examine the extent to which institutions and organisations in england and wales have taken seriously their responsibility to protect children.. the inquiry will investigate a wide range of institutions including:.

mrmagic

Yes I have something to add. Write to the Inquiry. They want to know about your experience and your story. These commissions and inquiries are interactive and designed for public engagement. You don't have even get out of your bed. You can email these officials from your cell phone or laptop.

Armchair activism can be just as effective as the picketing with signs, if not even more effective when you factor social media and viral messages. Grab yourself a beer or a coffee and think about the power you have at your finger tips.

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US Royal Commission or Something Like it

by mrmagic in

what would be the equivalent of a us version of the royal commission?

i'm not just asking about one specific governmental entity, but perhaps even a conglomerate of entities or series of events that would need to take place to cause a domino effect....a tipping point.

who do you think needs to be contacted that can turn around and contact a lot of others?looking for thoughts and ideas.

mrmagic

What would be the equivalent of a US version of the Royal Commission? I'm not just asking about one specific governmental entity, but perhaps even a conglomerate of entities or series of events that would need to take place to cause a domino effect....a tipping point.

Who do you think needs to be contacted that can turn around and contact a lot of others?

Looking for thoughts and ideas. Your thoughts and ideas count.

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Elder's Meeting about ARC? No. Really?

by punkofnice in

as you may or may not know (or care), i live in the uk.

a jw spy of mine told me that an elder had metioned that attendance at the kingdom hells had seemed to have dropped off after the australian royal comission expose of paedophilia within the watchtower organisation.. the elders were said to have had this as an item or the subject of a local elder's meeting.. i was surprised they'd even heard of the arc over here but at the same time was delighted.

delighted that meeting attendance had dropped possibly....and i say possibly...as a result of the arc.. even an older dyed in the wool jw i know is getting sick of the gb worship within the organisation and had heard of the arc.. has anyone heard similar?.

mrmagic

Some interesting posts here. There are a lot of variables that are unknown, however, I can tell you with confidence that the Royal Commission's work has a global impact, especially when you connect the dots on all of the major news events involving JWs.