hi i am delighted to be apart of the community.. having left the witnesses one of my first challenges was my believe in god.
naturally.. i have concluded that i am alive and conscious.
now my intuition tells me god exists, but my analytical thinking tells me god does not exist.
Hi the Rebel,
There are many viewpoints here. I would say as many as there are eyebrows!
I picked eyebrows (instead of the usual belly buttons) because I think each of us at some point in this journey reached a point where we held more than one opinion.
It is human nature to rush in to a nice tight well structured view point. It is because we feel more secure then.
But free falling is not all bad so dont rush, the worst is over, the journey has begun.
firstly, thank you to anyone who is in support of this rc.
no one has shown anything but great interest and empathy for those who were abused.. i don't know who this simonsays character is though and i find him to be very rude and ignorant.
it takes all kinds to make the world go round i suppose.. today i was contacted by a staff member of the royal commission.
Wow. This is such a valuable post I will probably keep coming back to bump it if it doesnt stay topside (I bet it will though).
You did a brave thing. I dont know if I could have made that call. I am in open mouthed admiration of you.
How do you feel now? Are you ok?
i have listened to segments of the hearing.. i am really impressed with the way the rc are well informed about jw procedure and the 'flock book'.. does anyone know how the rc got so clued up?
are they just that good at what they do?
(not saying they're not).. have 'mentally diseased apostates(tm)' been of use to the rc?.
So punk, do you think they have ex Jws helping them interpret the internal language of the Org.?
That does make a lot of sense.
last week we had the cos visit and i wanted to share my experiences with you.
some background info on me, i knowttatt and am fully awake, my wife also knows my doubts and read a few things on the internet but she is still 100% commited to the truth, saying everything on the apostate sites are lies.
so right now i am in just to keep the status quo.
I dont think you were being set up at all.
A set up would by necessity imply that there is some type of plan.
Instead what we are seeing is mass belief that "we are Gods chosen and therefore right." thus the bafflement and confusion.
There are many good people in the middle/lower Org. I think the crap flows straight from the top and who it hits and how thick it coats them is highly individualized.
i have listened to segments of the hearing.. i am really impressed with the way the rc are well informed about jw procedure and the 'flock book'.. does anyone know how the rc got so clued up?
are they just that good at what they do?
(not saying they're not).. have 'mentally diseased apostates(tm)' been of use to the rc?.
I dont think they are so much talking to apostates as they are familiarizing themselves with the literature.
There is a stunning and noticeable lack of emotion in the way the R.C. is handling themselves that make them extremely effective.
will this rc turn out to be the beginnings of a watershed time in wbts history?.
do you have any thoughts regarding this?.
Just to add that on JWTalk the top three most read threads the non public forum where some discussion about abuse has taken place is as follows:
Abc news nightline report 3/12/2015 13 Mar 2015 174 replies 4,721 views (now locked)
child abuse cases 19 Jun 2015 134 replies 3,775 views
Did leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child sex abuse? 17 Feb 2015 136 replies 3,732 views (now locked)
The second thread has stuff about the RC investigation. Interestingly enough no one has posted since a post about the expert witness being ripped into and her testimony essentially refused by the Commission.
I have checked over there also and thought it was interesting that they have grown so silent on the subject.
It seemed at first they were expecting it to be handled well by the elders. Then they haltingly admitted it wasnt handled well. Finally the expert did damage to the JW case.
Now silence.
Threaded through were several people recalling their own abuse which made it harder to be sarcastic about the topic itself if anyone had been so inclined.
on saturday the elder and his wife turned up.
i have my reasons for not turning them away at the moment, at least, not until the completion of the rc.. i asked him about his thoughts on the rc.
he said that he thought it was easy and nothing to worry about.
i am not a jew, btw, but a judeao-christian (well, that's what i consider myself), and i hope i have not posted in the wrong forum, if indeed i am allowed.
i am the lay minister and postulate deacon of the arian catholic church in worcestershire, uk and the surrounding region.
i am also a lay oblate novice in the arian catholic order of saint benedict of nursia (acosb).
What a nice apology Danage,
It sounds like you are growing and evolving in faith and in awareness of yourself as you go through life. Those are fine traits to possess for sure.
the gb needs to be subpenaed to testify just like losch was.
the commission needs to subpena each one individually and make separate fines when each one refuses.
i just found these vidoes on youtube, maybe you have seen them already, but i thought i would share.
these canadian kids for me are courageous and inspiring.
more excellent public examples of non vitrial apostate awakening.
