Posts by millie210

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Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.

by John Aquila in

last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.

he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.

then out of the blue he tells me; .

millie210

I think the reason some JWs are "ok" with the end not coming in their lifetime is because they werent signed on for the reward of the paradise to begin with.

Some are idealists who relish the thought of being part of something big and "right". Something that aligns them with God in an intimate way.

They (in their minds and hearts) are floating above that whole reward system so it doesnt make it a deal breaker.

It will come eventually (their belief) and in the meantime they are showing God and the world that they stand for what is right and pure.

There are many "causes" one can adopt. This one is theirs.

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Meandering thoughts of a recent JW funeral experience

by undercover in

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i went to the kh a couple of weeks ago.

for a funeral.

i haven't been in a kh, except for funerals, for several years.

millie210

Hi undercover, First let me offer you my condolences in the loss of your friend.

I just wanted to comment on the "a-hole" elder and his dogmatic views on those who commit suicide.

He obviously isnt up to date on his JW teachings.

There was a Question From Readers that covered this. The example was given of Saul (who committed suicide) and whose remains were placed upon a wall by his enemies. The Jewish townsmen came and took them down and buried them.

David commended them for this.

The article wanders around a bit and then concludes that a brother could give the funeral talk if his conscience permitted.

So..."a- hole elder" got it wrong.

Sorry I dont have the article details more clearly in mind but I wanted to share what I remembered and offer you some validation for your opinion of this elder...it sounds spot on!

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Lurker trying to gain clarity

by questioningmyfaith in

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hello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.

i am not negative towards the wt at all.

so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.

millie210

questioningmyfaith
If it helps to see my perspective, I have had a family member that has been an ardent apostate (which they embrace) for years now. When I was lurking on another website, I found their posts and saw that their story was a lot different than the truth. The truth is never black and white though. However, our memories always shade in the gray areas to make us believe it can be. Along with that, our goal posts that we use to gauge what is truthful or not always move with personal prejudices. Sometimes they shrink and sometimes they enlarge because we want to believe that what we're hearing has to be the truth.

This does help me to see your perspective. Thank you for writing it.

I remember when I first came here. I would read and go away thinking what a bunch of emotional people. Seeing slang terms for things and people I had been taught to respect was especially off putting. It made me think less of the posters instead of its intended effect.

I persevered and slowly the true gems started to emerge. Like Steve2 said, there are many viewpoints to be found here and more importantly a huge amount of truthful data.

You seem sincere and I have no doubt you will find your way.

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Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.

by John Aquila in

last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.

he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.

then out of the blue he tells me; .

millie210

FayeDunaway
hey what's going on with these 'dislikes' ?? Usually there's some consistency with how many pluses or minuses for each point of view...these seem to be all over the place. Is something glitching or do people really feel that strongly about john's story

I know! I think there is some confusion.

DATA-DOG
Dang!!! 8 dislikes, just for admitting that I give real experiences, but alter them slightly so they can't lead back to me?? Is that a glitch?? I just broke Simonsays' record! WTF???

I liked your post - very much. I thought it was honest and kind. You are on my "like" list Data Dog (along with John A)

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Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.

by John Aquila in

last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.

he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.

then out of the blue he tells me; .

millie210

I thought they were on the way to dropping it last year.

When all the summer conventions were about welcoming parties and letting people do the stroll on the stage in the Kingdom Halls.

For a 100 year anniversary, the barely touched on the whole "date" thing. I thought all the distraction and the dainty stepping around and the barely mentioning were smart.

I thought they were all well thought out choreography to letting it die.

Then they went and did this broadcast!

Beyond stupid of them strategically. They were almost out the door so to speak!

It is looking from way out here, like there is a wresting for control in what info will be disseminated to the rank and file.

The wiser "let it drop" folks got their way last summer. The zealots have taken charge this fall.

Is it because there is a power struggle in the tower or is it an attempt to start us all focusing on that instead of other things (such as the money issues and pedophile issues)?

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Two jewels from JW-Archive today

by StarTrekAngel in

let the equalization begin thru the kingdom hall construction fund.. .

need i add anything?.

.

millie210

Fat old men wearing big rings.........Im glad they have their collars turned backwards so I can tell theyre not the Governing Body!

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Mandrakes, what are they?

by purrpurr in

i decided to do about of research about mandrakes.

remember the ones found by dan and purchased from leah by rachel?.

now i don't remember seeing any indepth explanation of what mandrakes are in the wt.

millie210

Now Im curious as to what the AID or INSIGHT book had to say about this.

Did they sanitize it the way they tried to the Song of Solomon?

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Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.

by John Aquila in

last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.

he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.

then out of the blue he tells me; .

millie210

I think the older ones are praising it for the obvious reasons..

The ones who see themselves as "stabilizers" in the congo are going to praise it out of it being part of their job description.

I dont think the younger ones give a fig and that is the part I dont understand....why doesnt the GB just let this die a natural death the way the 7th Day Adventists did with their 1844 doctrine.

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A note on the Watchtowers property investments

by Saintbertholdt in

about a year ago there was a thread regarding the 2008 watchtower bible and tract society of new yorks tax return.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/287098/2008-watchtower-income-tax-return?page=1.

a reference was made to the provictor property fund iv which was listed as their primary alternate business activity.. turns out that at that time 75% of the chrysler building was owned by the provictor property fund iv until it was sold during that year.. http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/09/news/international/chrysler_building/?postversion=2008070913.

just thought you should know :).

millie210

respectful observer...so what you are saying is that they lost BIG and have no where near that now.

So does this help account for why they want the kids ice cream money?

The pedophilia scandal and the accompanying payouts are relatively new. So there has to be something to account for the panic they are showing when they hit up Mexico for more money, right?

Orphan - The above is a copy/paste from JW Archive by a guy who is (I believe) secretly working from within. He is the owner and goes by the nic "The Librarian"

Sorry for the confusion.

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That old time religion............JW.Org

by punkofnice in

i had a secret conversation with a dyed in the wool jw recently.. they told me that they felt that the organisation now was a different religion to the 'good old days' when knorr was the boss.

the books were more interesting.

the zeal was there.

millie210

Do they even have any good writers anymore? I would love to hear Barbara Andersons thoughts on this.

Of course, even if you have good writers - you need content for them to write about.

That is probably the bigger problem for them.