Posts by millie210

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Hi Everyone

by Wayward in

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friends

i just came over from jwr.

a little background: my mom converted to the witnesses when i was five.

i was baptized at 14, was mentally out by 18, and successfully faded by the time i was 25. mom and both my younger sisters and their families are still in.

millie210

Hi and welcome, we are really glad youre here!

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Oh dear ,did I touch your belief system?

by wozza in

just been thinking about things that happened when i was in the jws that made me realise that i was waking up .. bit of history first ,my mother brought me up as a mormon from the age of about 4 till about 12 ,saw alot of things that even puzzled me as a kid and knew the lds church could not be right (like pressuring my mother to pay the 10 percent tithe that she had accrued while dad was out of work for three months with no income}.. one bug that i had then was that they treated "negro" people differently,coul'dnt marry whites at the temple, hold the ministry etc the prophets back then taught this and changed some things later.. years later when i became a witness i sometimes would talk about this with other jws and point out that the prophets had changed their teachings and asked the question "so who got the teaching wrong , the prophets or god?

" .

it was amazing to see their faces ,always seemed to be the same ,it was as though they realised that this could be the same situation in the the "truth" and did'nt want to think about it ,and really with all the changes in recent years ,this question should be asked bt jws today to test their belief system which is based on a group of men which changes all the time over the years and so does their teachings.. wish the internet and information had been around when i was becoming a jw i probably would have put it to good use and never become a jw ,but for those today ,use it well and your critical thinking and the road away from mens teaching will be swift.

millie210

Funny, when I was "in" I always thought that certain Mormon beliefs were so ludicrous how could they be taken seriously by Mormons?

Now that I have removed myself from the JWs, I see the ridiculousness of so much and ask myself that same question about them!

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Has Robert Ciranko replaced Don Adams as president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania ?

by EdenOne in

robert ciranko has been a "helper" of the governing body in the writing department.. don adams (born 1925, presumably 91 years old now) has been president of the wtbts since 2000. .

however, in recent official posts (april 2016), robert ciranko is identified as "president of the watch tower".

does anybody know what happened and if this is an official change?.

millie210

They were totally loyal to Jehovah and his organization.

Third sentence in on Roberts Bio.

The above was concerning his parents but it is also mentioned about a third of the way in on Ketras Bio also. As a matter of fact it gets its own sentence.

I also found it noteworthy that they are both described as making the truth their own at a later time after baptism - years after.

Since they write nothing randomly and everything is written to create the desired response in the reader, I wonder what they are saying with that?

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Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses Wikipedia

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/criticism_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses.

contents.

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millie210

I agree about Wikipedia.

I was amazed at how much I learned about Rutherford there.

I dont know why I picked him as a starting point but I had a particular dislike of his "look" in pictures and sure enough...the picture was accurate, he really was a jerk!

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ANNOUNCEMENT

by COLLINS in

a wonderful announcement to my friends in the forum.

i am no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.

in the month of may 2016 i wrote my resignation letter and gave it to the elders in my congregation.

millie210

This was a big step and I am happy for you COLLINS!

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What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?

by millie210 in

i was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.

comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .

some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.

millie210

Interesting to contemplate the difference in recognizing the past of a religion (history) and how dragging it in to a present tense through language would be "hate speech".

Very interesting.

Having never been subject to any atrocities by a religion (unless you count the endless tedium of growing up witness and associated emotional responses) I can see that the longer a religion exists the more opportunities it has to make huge missteps in judgement. To be corrupted thoroughly even.

I have long admired the history of the Jews. This may in part be due to an admired mentor in my field who is Jewish. I have seen things through her eyes.

When I started to compare/contrast the Catholic church to the JWs, it mainly had to do with strict control and teachings. I was shocked to see the 1947 comment by the JWsabout how pagan it was for Catholics to excommunicate and now that the Catholics have greatly relaxed their excommunication policy the JWs have picked up the thread and enforce it greatly!

I dont think I communicated clearly enough in my original post that I wasnt contrasting the two religions as they are now. I was looking at an old established religion and a relatively new one and wondering if,

since they share some characteristics, if the new one might continue to manifest similar changes to the older one.

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What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?

by millie210 in

i was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.

comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .

some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.

millie210

David_ Jay, you are a magnificent thinker.

Learning about your background explains a lot about why you have such a world view and are not as limited in your thinking as most JWs were trained to be.

I went back and read your original post where you described becoming a JW = as in not raised one.

So you grew up thinking and now you can fall back on it. You dont have to suspend your own thoughts in order to be a good JW.

I understand that each religion is really no better than its competitors ( I meant to type contemporaries but I think competing religions is actually MORE accurate) but I am still trying to look for a "formula" for what the Watchtower folks are doing/going to do.

I do think however that some religions are more violent than others. Would you agree? I am not talking about an unexercised capacity for violence so much as I am talking about a historical record of it. Where is the violence of the Christian Scientists for example?

Perhaps a religion will do what it thinks it can get away with?

As for JWs and their Catholic behavior crossovers...

DId you see the article where in 1947 they condemned the Catholic church for excommunicating people (said it had pagan origins) and now they (JWs) are more fiercely enforcing that concept than the Catholics they condemned!

History is not going to make room for the JWs to rise up the way the Catholics did. The timing is all wrong among many other factors. I am still puzzled and amazed at how many things used to be viewed as a strict Catholic behavior (no intermarriage, infant baptism, confession of sins, control of assets etc) are now strict JW behavior.

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Who was the poster who predicted radical Watchtower change years ago?

by slimboyfat in

who was the poster, about 8 years ago, who came on the forum and claimed he had inside information that the gb were planning radical changes.

he said that in ten years time jws would be unrecognisable.

many were skeptical.

millie210

Virgochik.
Edit: Humblest apologies, I meant to post this on the apparel thread. I feel so stupid!

Dont feel stupid Virgochik....I hadnt noticed the apparel thread but now i want to go read it -

it all works out~ thanks!

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What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?

by millie210 in

i was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.

comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .

some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.

millie210

TTWSYF
Things in common with JW and Catholics
1-They believe the bible is the word of God
2- They believe Jesus is the messiah
3- I think that's it

Thanks for posting I really appreciate it!

Could I add that between the Catholics relaxing stance on infant baptism and the JWs increasingly strong push to baptize children, that they are almost meeting in the middle thus adding a 4th thing we could agree on?

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What Religious Trajectory Are The JWs Following?

by millie210 in

i was reading another thread and the comments got me thinking.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5656910430732288/pictures-tell-thousand-words.

comments such as oldskools: more like digital colonialism channeled through one of the weaker and less important institutions western society has to offer.. .

some have compared the orgs future path to the world wide church of gods.

millie210

Hey David_!

TODAY the Catholic church may not teach it is the only way to salvation but didnt it certainly teach that at one time?

Otherwise, what were the Inquisitions about?

And a relatively small detail but a baby that died un-christened was a fate worse than the actual death of the child to the parents.

Does that sound like a religion that doesnt think it is the only way to salvation?