Well we can solve this easily...arent there court reporters constantly scouring the courthouse news?
This would be big news - as Morpheus said.
Any of our legal people know how long something can be kept under wraps before it is public record?
the chelmsford project in the uk has already come to a halt and every one has been sent home.
the bethel family in london is to be cut by several hundred.
my impression is that most ambitious youngster in the org dream of being involved with the building program.
Well we can solve this easily...arent there court reporters constantly scouring the courthouse news?
This would be big news - as Morpheus said.
Any of our legal people know how long something can be kept under wraps before it is public record?
i just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.
she is on morphine and hanging on.
she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.
Minimus, you are the little red dot who brings us so much joy...
I am so sorry to hear of this hard time for you and your dear mom.
That you consider her one of your best friends in life says volumes about her.
I know she sure raised a good man.
Much love coming your way and you will be in my thoughts today.
Milz
how accurate is the bible?
the "compiled" version (council of nicaea) was not established for hundreds, or even thousands, of years after events happened.
stories were handed down generation to generation to generation before being written down.
Since I am moving rather slowly away from being a JW, my feelings about the Bible are in flux.
I am trying to go slowly because I dont want my thoughts about the Bible and everything else to be reactionary. I want them to be well researched and stand alone thoughts that are authentically mine and not part of my reeling away from "all things JW".
When I read the topic of this thread my first thought was the Bible is probably about as accurate as most of the worlds holy writings.
After reading the thoughts posted above, I would have to say my current thinking aligns mostly with what WireRider wrote.
I can think of Bible versus that have made me act better as I go through life. Two I have used at work a lot are
the stupid one is replying to a matter before he has heard it
and
in a multitude of counselers there is wisdom
To be very honest, there are also many quotes I use daily that are not from the Bible - just men who pierced one of lifes veils in a humorous or succinct way that I find a good reminder.
on not being overly impressed with people who claim to have money:
Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked. - Warren Buffett
on keeping grief in perspective:
Let not your grief be measured by his worth, because then your sorrow would have no end.
- Macbeth Act 5
On being too convinced my way is THE way:
We dont see things as they are - we see things as we are - Wayne Dyer
I cant honestly say any one quote is more profound than another - Bible or mans.
hi everyone i need some links to pro-jw sites that mention the letter to be read out and also about the bethel lay offs .
can be face book or anything as long as it's for jehovahs kingdom, but mentions those 2 things.
thanks guys.
There isnt any more mention of the leaked letter on JW talk. The mods removed every trace of it.
After much hand wringing it was decided the announcement about Bethelites could be discussed however since it was public knowledge.
please stop it !!!.
we love them.
we all love them.
Esse quam videri30 minutes agoPLEASE STOP IT !!!
We love them.
We all love them.
They're our favorites!
We?
when one connects the dots it's very intriguing.
i don't have all the details or in order but here's just some of the events.
2008 global financial melt down.
Great list!
So, given what we know...why then did we get the talk about the super building project? Why did the elders have to attend a special kick off meeting last January about the increased building work? Remember the letter stated that we were going to begin the biggest construction project the world has ever seen?
How did we get from then to now? It is just barely fall and the winter meeting is completely reversed?
sorry for the length of this, i hope anyone stopping by to read will take the time and read it.
i haven't included any things i would consider "apostate" specifics about doctrines, or major scandals.
it's just a general layout of the path i took to becoming an exjw.
Your story is so well told and so honest.
It is easy to follow the sequence of events from then to now.
I suspect that someone just starting to wonder is going to read this and find a bit of themselves in your words.
That will give them hope and courage.
Heck, it gives ME hope and courage!
I had to pause and reflect when I read this line from your post,
I didn’t think there were any more levels of waking up for me.
That is good for me to ponder, the idea that there are many levels, one of which I am on now.
Thank you for sharing your journey so patiently and step by step
i just wanted to express a simple thought.
having awakened 11 months ago , i feel blessed to have awakened at this special time.
i feel so vindicated.
I was reading your post and nodding in agreement and the thought...
"You were definitely ahead of the curve on that one" went through my head...
I was curious to see what that saying "ahead of the curve" means
Heres one definition:
ahead of the curve literally refers to your position on the statistical bell curve, where the top of the curve represents the median, average result. By being ahead of the curve you represent the top percentile of results that either has the advanced skills or understanding that sets you apart.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
crazyhorse
I don't know what to believe. What does that make me?
no doubt that atrocities were perpetrated against jehovah's witnesses in 1972-73.. but what about the reports in 1975?.
here is an excerpt from a diplomatic cable sent to the us secretary of state in 1977.. the cable was released/declassified in 2009.. .... re jehovah's witnesses, why do we go back to the.
events of 197273?
I have been looking for this post for over a month.
I finally typed enough right words in to the search feature to find it!
I didnt even realize it was your post Saint...
I just thought this was such an indication of what a rip off all that 1975 letter writing to Malawi was.
Now I can save this link to my files.
I am slowly building a collection of things that I hope (know?) will impress my siblings one day. They are going strong as JWs now but if a tiny crack ever appears I want to have some things ready.
This is one of those things.