Posts by millie210

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Field Service Privilege Can Be Taken Away Due to Hairstyle and Tight Pants???

by Wild_Thing in

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millie2105 hours agohere is something i just found out this week.former belief - field service is a publishers inalienable right new belief - field service privilege can be taken away if person styles hair or wears clothing in a way that is deemed metrosexual.i was pretty much dumbfounded.. this was posted on another thread, so i decided to start a new topic about this.

i think this is amazing!

i wish this was in place when i was a kid.

millie210

steve2
This is NOT - repeat NOT - new. When has it ever been an "inalienable" right - and who ever came up with that overblown adjective to describe Witnesses having rights?

It was me Steve. I was the one who was stunned by it and wrote the post.

Thanks WildThing for being curious and wanting a discussion on what this means exactly, I am enjoying seeing the different perspectives on this.

The reason I feel this is new is the following:

Several years ago a woman who was disfellowhipped. She had been a pioneer and said she was "going out in service anyhow". The elders bristled with this effrontery and were sure they would put a stop to that!

They called the Service Desk and much to their surprise were told -

Leave. Her. Alone.

They were told that the preaching comission was directly from the scriptures as was her baptism and that her disfellowshipping restricted her from congregation activities only. So she could not check out a territory or meet with the group. She could however recieve her literature from the literature counter and go out in service on her own.

So seeing that the elders are being directed in writing to obstruct that right in people because of dress or hairstyle seems like things are going in a new direction,

People who are disfellowshipped are not re-baptized upon reinstatement. That baptism supercedes the discipline. A person being a minister was put in that same category.

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Beards - September 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

the issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.

it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?

the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.

millie210

Like some of you have suggested, it would appear they are taking heavy fire on this issue.

Enough that they had to address it in their usual confusing way.

When you are a group whose sole direction is to REact rather than act...well...you have to be vague until you see which way things are blowing!

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I'm getting disfellowshipped

by raven in

hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.

i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.

that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .

millie210

Im sorry such distress is in your life right now raven.

would it help any if you printed out the part of Docs comment from the elders manual so your mom knows exactly that she can contact you rather than some elder just telling her what he thinks?

Also, it has been my experience that older parents are hesitant to break relations with a grown child. Perhaps it is the sense of getting older and more fragile and feeling they need their adult children?

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New Shunning Video - RC 2016

by wifibandit in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20rww_-7ua.

millie210

The small comfort in this is they wouldnt have to show it if the compliance level among the sheeple was where they wanted it to be.

I see more and more people where I am that are bending the rules of shunning.

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Please sum up the last decade in JW history

by oldskool in

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i used to be a member of this site, but jumped off a good number of years ago (08?).

i don't have access to my old email, so i'm using a new account.. anyway, i was baptized jw in late 90's.

da'd mid 2000s.. when i left there were three meets a week plus field service.

millie210

Hi and welcome - good to have you back.

Here is something I just found out this week.

Former belief - field service is a publishers inalienable right

New belief - field service privilege can be taken away if person styles hair or wears clothing in a way that is deemed metrosexual.

I was pretty much dumbfounded.

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It's official...

by DATA-DOG in

the gibbering buddies are guided by jeehipity-hop!

how can i say this with 100% confidence?

well, an emotionally unstable eldub was talking about "mobile devices.

millie210

ShirleyW
Millie would you happen to know the date of the Awake magazine with that picture? I like to use the actual dates of things like this from the publications when I have fun with the folks with the carts, like to point out things to them they would deny, but then I have the proof, at least I like to be accurate with the fake JW Doctrine !!

Im sorry, I dont. I know once before it was being discussed here and someone posted the picture. I wish I could find it!

I did a quick search and didnt have any success,

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It's official...

by DATA-DOG in

the gibbering buddies are guided by jeehipity-hop!

how can i say this with 100% confidence?

well, an emotionally unstable eldub was talking about "mobile devices.

millie210

Im reminded once again of the Awake article with the illustration of the computer cord turning in to the head of a snake.

This was to demonstrate the evils of the internet.

The same internet they now want everyone to use to download their products.

There is a saying that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That would actually be an improvement for the Org. They could get it right twice a day (maybe) if they would just stop and hold still on a belief or method. Instead they careen from side to side calling it "new light".

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Baptized niece crowned prom queen. Could her dad loose his MS appt?

by StarTrekAngel in

so my niece (not thru my brother but rather my wife) had been talking about going to her prom.

the family had privately been somewhat doubtful that she would be allowed to go.

the problem was that they kept promising she would be allowed but history has shown us that her parents tend to get her excited about things and then drop the denial on her at the last minute.

millie210

If its viewed as a "first mistake" kind of thing that maybe they "fell in to" without realizing it might not lead to anything...key word being might.

if they have a history of not controlling their teenager - that is how this is viewd (the prom thing) as him not having his household in subjection, then this might get him removed.

That s one of the problems a lot of us have with the whole arrangement for servants in the Hall...so much of who is appointed and how they qualify is highly subjective and not at all Holy Spirit or scripturally based.

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Help needed: transgender people and other unclear topics

by TeaBiscuit in

first of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.

if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.

since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.

millie210

Ok here it is.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5749122145452032/you-wear-tight-pants-you-will-trouble

This is the link to the thread where the letter is discussed.

in the 10th post by JWFacts, the letter is there to read.

On page 2 of the thread a poster named wifibandit has provided a link to the actual letter.

I hope this helps you in your search to find answers.

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Help needed: transgender people and other unclear topics

by TeaBiscuit in

first of all, i am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask my questions.

if this is not really appropriate, please tell me in advance, but i really did not know who to turn to, so i thought why not ask the internet... now, i know many of you are apostates and i'm not really looking for "leave it all behind you" answers, but really for experiences, thoughts and ideas... as well as maybe some verses if you can think of any.. anyway, first things first.

since this is very anonymous and i'd like to keep it that way, i will not give you my name, but still, i think some background info might be helpful.

millie210

Hi TeaBiscuit,

As someone who was born in and a life long member of Jehovahs WItnesses (I am not disfellowshipped - just drawing back from them in order to take an objective look)

I was stunned to see that the elders were recently sent a letter instructing them to not allow someone to participate in service if they cut their hair or dress in a way that looks metro sexual.

This is shocking not just because it is such a strict stand but it reverses a previous policy that going out in service was a God given right of true Christians. A right they have now removed.

Since dress and grooming are some of the more superficial parts of a persons identity, does that give a window in to the thinking of the organization in matters that would touch upon your question?

I believe so.

I will try to go find the link to that letter that the elders are reading so you can read it for yourself with your own eyes.

Perhaps someone else will come along here who has the link at hand and provide it for you to read.