Posts by millie210

although highly unlikely, it would be wonderful if this horrible practice was completely eliminated.. i know we have the wt victims memorial day in the summer, but does anyone know of any grassroots sort of movement to have a jw break the silence day on shunning?

we could encourage and promote for all jw's who have a df'd friend or family member to contact that person on that day--maybe even with the excuse that they need to check on them.. i know that it won't demolish the shunning policy, but at least a day like this could shed some light on the harmful practice to those outside the jw community as well as providing an unofficial designated day for jws to reach out to those they're shunning.

millie210

Its a great idea but would involve mercy and a sense of kindness.

Not really part of the JW religious model.

Maybe they could do it in a city of refuge?

(there was more kindness then)

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Why is it so hurtful to be shunned? Why object to it?

by stuckinarut2 in

it seems like many feel hurt or saddened by the practice of shunning by witnesses.. yes, when ones who we were close to, perhaps family or ones we thought were close friends choose to follow the warped directions of the society, it may seem hurtful.. but really, our reaction is up to us.

the fact is, these ones have shown that in reality, their love for us was never real or genuine.

no, those relationships were superficial and lacking in substance.

millie210

As has been said in various ways above, we are herd animals anthropologically speaking.

Being cut off from the tribe could mean death in days gone by.

Recognizing this is a hard wired primal response, man has come up with ways to use it. Solitary in prison usually gets the desired result. Religions do it with shunning.

The bright side is that we can recognize it as a basic human response and take steps for our own well being.

Making friends, talking about our feelings about the entire experience, educating ourselves are all tools.

This forum is one of those tools that is an antidote for the bad medicine the Org is attempting when it practices shunning.

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Any word on the annual meeting?

by careful in

have all the leaks at ny bethel been discovered, or are there still some who are revealing the inner secrets beforehand?

i haven't seen anything here about the annual meeting just a month away now.

anyone have any real info on it?.

millie210

Well I personally cant wait....

we know about our spanx and our socks....

now what?

Help me governing body...dont leave me half dressed!

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the book so many deny exists

by zeb in

jw
friends

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millie210

I never noticed the storm clouds before.

How funny.

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Carts in Market Street, San Francisco

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

well, kinda at least the jw carts aren't making a noise .

outside powell st station, opposite the westfield centre in market street, san francisco.

street view: https://goo.gl/maps/usgcsjsntwz.

millie210

That was really cool to watch, thanks for posting it.

The JWs just blend in to the general melee, they dont stand out as special as all.

The mic'd guy is annoying but he is not attracting much wanted attention either, it seems the band is the big hit!

As it should be...

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We all "shun."

by stillin in

an old friend of mine committed suicide this week.

he was a great guy; pleasant to be around, a hard worker, kind.

everybody at work liked him.. then something changed.

millie210

Yes to the comments above.

When people naturally turn away from (shun) certain behaviors in others based on their own value system that is one thing.

It can serve to help the individual exhibiting the behavior to modify or correct their own course in order to remain part of a social group. That is a good thing, both for the individual and for the big picture of the group.

What the JWs do is set in place an artificial code of ethics determined by them and demand that it be followed to be part of their group. One way you can tell how very seriously it is off track from being normal or healthy is not only do they penalize the individual they are shunning, they will shun others who dont shun the individual!

To compound the idiocy of this they also keep changing the rules on what is shun worthy.

The JW rules are designed to exploit human behavior to their own ends.

That is hugely different than the natural giving of feedback to one another about personal behaviors in a group setting.

Most importantly, I am sorry about your friends pain and I am very sorry for what you are going through now. The fact that you are mulling it over and concerned shows that you really cared about this man.

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Jehovah's Witnesses post 'anti-gay' 'Harness Your Habits' leaflet in North Devon

by OrphanCrow in

jehovah's witnesses post 'anti-gay' 'harness your habits' leaflet in north devon.

devon and cornwall police have said a leaflet posted through doors in north devon isn't a crime – despite it advising gay people to "control their urges".the leaflet, entitled "how to harness your habits", was distributed in north devon by jehovah's witnesses and contains an article asking "what does the bible say about homosexuality?

"in it, the religious group states that "rejecting homosexuality" is completely different to "rejecting people of a different skin colour" and says their views are the same as people who "view smoking as harmful and even repugnant".it also compares gay people to animals, but says "unlike animals, they can choose not to act on their impulses".the journal was contacted by a reader, who wishes to remain anonymous, who felt "belittled" by the leaflet.

millie210

LOL good example scratch!

Thank you for helping me understand. I really want to be sensitive and aware and not dense!

So would not currently sexually active be correct? Or celibate?

I am searching for the right way to say someone gay or hetero, someone male or female - doesnt matter - who is basically standing outside the long arm of the law (in this case a judicial committee) because they are not doing anything that can be used as a technicality against them.

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Lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency laparotomies on Jehovah’s Witness women

by OrphanCrow in

the wt has promoted bloodless surgery as a viable (and better) alternative to surgery with blood transfusions.. i have found a medical study that has been used to back up these "evidence based" claims.

the title of the article is lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency.

these mostly indigent patients died of peritonitis becauseof delays in payment for antibiotics.

millie210

That is a moral question and not valid to be brought into the equation when analyzing results. Indigent is not a moral position even though some authors would like to subtly use it as one - it is a position defined by economic situation.
Millie, your query, I think, is exactly the one that the authors want you to make

Sometimes I assume I am communicating clearly when it becomes obvious I have not. I should have given background.

I have been aware for a long time that big ticket items can be made readily available for indigent people (of whom women and children are the most fragile and vulnerable) while simple things that could make them not need intensive interventive measures are denied them. For example a kidney transplant may be possible but a diet that contributes to health OR simple blood pressure screenings and drugs for hypertension are not available in some cases for some people.

This is something the World Health Org has tried with limited success to address, as have other groups.

So when I read this, I was wondering if access to simple antibiotics were out of the reach of women in their villages due to perhaps them living in a remote area or due to politics or due to big pharna, or some combination thereof.

Sorry I didnt make that more clear.