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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  We are not Radio Free Europe.... we are a collection of CDs in a cupboard somewhere in an office block pretty much no one ever visits.
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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  Let's remove he word 'attack' then...... many people are likely reluctant to do brave acts such as risk imprisonment to graffiti a Kingdom Hall, though an organised such act across halls worldwide one night would get mass media attention, BUT yes, drop the word 'attack'.....
  
  Let's not even go for an "organisation" as such, i.e. not the Watchtower kind, because, yes, we all feel awkward with that, hurt by authority, strugling to trust others, we all have massive issues there...... but let's work with the organisation type we see with the forum, but extend that structure beyond a forum.... happier now?
  
  I really dread the idea of my life coming under control by some despot drunk on power - I go to work and ignorant managers mess things up, and often they achieve nothing for all the work I put in, it's all a waste of time except I get paid. I wouldn't want to put hours into some co-ordinate apostate effort to inform the world, only to find I was wasting hours to please some power-hungry person who needs to find a better way to handle their lack of self-esteem. High on power, high on drugs, all the same.
  
  I have an idea of how people can do a lot more without loosing anonymity and without need for a governing body, more a loose structure like this. People would be individuals working for a common set of goals/ideas (freedom from the cult), in whatever way they think best.

  It's not enough just to have a chat (this is good therapy), but we need publicity. Yes, those boards about, literature carts, etc. are just the point. We are hurt, stressed by our experience, and it's understanding we may not all want to walk up the road with an apostate literatre cart, as if shouting "I'm the idiot that joined this cult and was destroyed by it", but there are other more discrete ways we can get attention. The Watchtower is actually, for all it's hype about world leader in tech with Photo Drama, is far far behind the times with adopting the Internet for marketing, missing opportunities we will triumph them on.
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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  Whatever truth there is on this forum (there are also allegations without fact), it won't help people unless they know it's there. People like to think that by posting here they have helped bring down the organisation, and that helps with depression. No one wants that bubble burst - we want to pretend we are winning, but we are not being realistic! Something like 99.99999999% of the people in the world have never seen this site, but they likely have seen a JW tract or magazine!

  I respect people want to be anonymous - that makes sense, because the WT would love to sue anyone who criticises, but it's not reason to only be able to do stuff as a forum.
  
  No one is demanding an organisation that gives absolute power to anyone. I have the impression I am younger than many on here, and now we face the same issue in the JW organisation, where the older ones running the show have their heads stuck in the past, and don't realise how the Internet works and what can be done with it. A forum is just the tip of the iceberg. You don't see that a forum is actually an organisation; it does have leaders - the moderators.... there are many other types of modern organisation that run this way.
  
  Any criticism should not be of the victims in the organisation, but of the way it's run.
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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  Others may want power, but some just realise that sitting around bitching on a forum may help us all cope with depression, the knowing others suffer too, not alone, but won't stop the Watchtower. If you did a survery, how many people would know this forum even exists? It needs publicity!!
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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  Yes, Excalibur, we should certainly unite as one, to make a more effective, structured, organised attack, but no one wants to make the effort. It's far easy to sit in a comfy armchair and bitch about the organisation through this forum.

  This forum has a purpose. It provides reassuring to us all as we struggle with our past, but that is all it will ever be. Sure, the occasional person may stumble across it and become a little enlightened, but such is limited unless we have a site like jw.org showing the truth. The major problem is we wait for people to find us, just like the diminishing churches - we actually need to 'preach' the truth, but that is a word/action that brings bad memories, as does any concept of organisation. Is organised ex-religlion going to be less traumatic than organised religion?
  
  I fear mostly whom arise to run these organisations. Sure, there are zealous brothers progressing for love of the ministry, but, as in business, they are often sidelined by butt-kissers, who stamp on everyone, form schemes, just to gain power, what is documented in business to be sociopathy. However well intended any movement, it could quickly be taken over by someone who just wants some authority to boost their insecurity. Also, it could quickly loose focus and become a mere social club (not so bad), and not be drawing attention to what the organisation is. It could be like a charity demanding money, but achieving little, due to unproducive workers, wasting money on poor plans and manager's salaries.
  
  We certainly couldn't have some theocratic structure led by holy spirit, as such allows a few power hungry persons to claim themselves unquestionable. Democracy also is flawed as the loudest voice isn't always right. However, whatever the structure, it would be vital to hold any person organising things very responsible.

  I would favour that simply each city or country where there are a number of ex-JWs, forms a little group, that together informs newspapers of certain news, peacefully protest outside government buildings, hand out leadlets, etc.. Then these groups could in some de-centralised, federal way, as they feel able and want to, work together, perhaps a rota to wave signs outside Bethel.
  
  We don't really use the Internet at all. I do not condone an organisation like Anonymous, but they show what a loosely-affiliated small group of persons can achieve online, they they are so loosely-affiliated that they contradict themselves, i.e. on woman's rights.
  
  We also often contradict ourselves. Many have not really let go of the Watchtower, as they search for a new religion, not seeing it itself is the problem, that we must stop looking for a father figure/god to save us and make decisions for us in this dark, disgutingly immoral, hard to navigate, overwhelmingly stressful world we can't cope with. I like very much the morals in the Greek scriptures, but the Hebrew isn't the same god.
  
  How can we have unity, when on one hand, some people here only left the JWs and are bitter for having been disfellowshipped for immoral conduct, while others left because they couldn't cope with it not being a moral sanctuary, filled with butt-kissing politicians who cared for power or lazy two-faced fornicators and drunkards who couldn't be bothered to do the ministry?... and now can't be bothered to criticise the organisation.
  
  There should be no requirement to like the Bible. There are born agains on here, hijacking the forum, bashing the JWs for blood, but these naive persons don't read the Bible, because here JWs in having this horrific sacrifice of their children to show loyalty God are being increidbly loyal to the Bible, and so the Bible itself is the source of such horror - if we criticise JWs for following the Bible, we will only make idiots of ourselves. We would do better to criticise the blood issue for what it is; an out of date Bible teaching, yes, from an old book that has no place today in directing our lives than the ramblings of Shakespeare!
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  If they changed their blood ban…would their be a floodgate of lawsuits?

  by Londo111 in

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  2. medical

  i know nothing about legal matters, but there are those here who are quite keen at these things.. if they changed the no blood teaching, would this open the watchtower society up to litigation?.

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  There should be no requirement to like the Bible. There are born agains on here, hijacking the forum, bashing the JWs for blood, but these naive persons don't read the Bible, because here JWs in having this horrific sacrifice of their children to show loyalty God are being increidbly loyal to the Bible, and so the Bible itself is the source of such horror - if we criticise JWs for following the Bible, we will only make idiots of ourselves. We would do better to criticise the blood issue for what it is; an out of date Bible teaching, yes, from an old book that has no place today in directing our lives than the ramblings of Shakespeare!
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  Evidence

  by ekruks in

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  2. child-abuse

  i am wondering, if brave persons are bringing forth details of painful abuse cases years later, when they have grown up to be adults.... what evidence do the courts convict on?

  conti was the only victim in the case?

  i doubt there were eye-witnesses, and it's too late to get dna evidence.

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  I'm not denying the horrific crime happened - I want to know how so many years later it can be proven in court. There are often reports of these cases, and I am wondering what constitutes the evidence.
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  Evidence

  by ekruks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i am wondering, if brave persons are bringing forth details of painful abuse cases years later, when they have grown up to be adults.... what evidence do the courts convict on?

  conti was the only victim in the case?

  i doubt there were eye-witnesses, and it's too late to get dna evidence.

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  Adamah, I agree wit what you just said, but even for the civil courts some form of evidence is needed, otherwise anyone could just claim abuse and win. I am trying to work out what she used as evidence. It is said to be a one victim case, so it's not the testimony of various victims providing multiple witnesses. Somehow without DNA evidence or eye-witnesses, she won.
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  Evidence

  by ekruks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i am wondering, if brave persons are bringing forth details of painful abuse cases years later, when they have grown up to be adults.... what evidence do the courts convict on?

  conti was the only victim in the case?

  i doubt there were eye-witnesses, and it's too late to get dna evidence.

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  I am wondering, if brave persons are bringing forth details of painful abuse cases years later, when they have grown up to be adults.... what evidence do the courts convict on? Conti was the only victim in the case? I doubt there were eye-witnesses, and it's too late to get DNA evidence. Did the pervert confess?
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  Lawyers: Can a Jehovah's Witness sue the Watchtower Society for Civil Rights violations?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been on boards and run businesses, and been reminded by more than one cpa and attorney to cross ts and dot i s regarding corporate requirements or we would become liable to lawsuits.. therefore, my questions to any attorneys and cpas, and the keen minds on this board, are the following;.

  i have been reading old threads on this site about watchtower society irregularities regarding tax filings with state and federal agencies.

  evidently, a number of filings for different years were identical (unlikely if not impossible) or missing.

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  Britain is mostly atheist, but the Watchtower society knows the law - that's why they don't actually keep much in the way of records. It's very hard, somewhat impossible, to prove anything - about the only evidence is eye-witnesses, who are likely loyal JWs.