So Francois, how come you never answered us, on the fact you claimed the Democrats were taking away our civil rights, when in fact, it's the Republicans, that drafted the US Patriot Act, and now the US Patriot Act 2, and are also trying to make the US Patriot Act permanant.
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LIBERAL PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PANTIES IN A WAD NOW!
by dolphman inso, the iraqis did want us to liberate them.
what are your pathetic responses to the images of cheering iraqis?.
thank god bush knows better than to listen to you..
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Afghan Massacre
by William Penwell ini watch this show yesterday on cbcnewsworld.
this was already broadcast to europe but not in the us due to the war.
it was about a warlord general abdul rashid dostum, who was responsible for massacring taliban prisoners of war.
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And the bloody american government expects our POW's to be treated fairly. Bloody hell. Grrrr, where are you pro-war people now?
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I went to Church today
by Trauma_Hound in.
... and donated a bunch of adult and baby food for the homeless.
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I don't usually help with money, like in this case, I bought a bunch of food. I don't give money to street pan handlers either, it has been my experience when they're asking for money, for food, it's complete BS. When they ask that, I offer to buy them food, and they all of a sudden, make up some excuse, not to take the food. United Way, is a good example of a big organization where alot of money goes to overhead.
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Drinking and Bathing Water if Soldiers Convert says Chaplain
by blondie inreport: army chaplain refuses water unless troops baptized
posted: 8:34 a.m. edt april 9, 2003 .
washington -- the president of the interfaith alliance says he's "appalled" at reports that a military chaplain in iraq wouldn't give troops water unless they agreed to be baptized.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-fals11.html
Onward Christian soldiers, cynically to war
April 11, 2003
BY CATHLEEN FALSANI RELIGION WRITER
At Camp Bushmaster near the town of Najaf in the Iraqi desert, American soldiers who haven't been able to bathe in months can take a dip in a 500- gallon tub, courtesy of U.S. Army Chaplain Josh Llano.
But there's an unusual entry fee: Conversion by full submersion.
"It's simple," Llano told a reporter for the Miami Herald last week. "They want water. I have it, as long as they agree to get baptized."
What a deal! One bath for the low, low price of your eternal soul.
Before the soldiers can wash off some of the filth of desert warfare, they also have to sit through Llano's 90-minute sermon. And then comes the hourlong baptism/bath.
"They do appear physically and spiritually cleansed," said Llano, who is a Southern Baptist. "Regardless of their motives, I get to take them closer to the Lord."
The only place Llano is taking these guys is to the spiritual cleaners. And I don't mean that in a cute, evangelical way.
They're tired. They're far from home. Sand gets EVERYWHERE. And in the middle of a desert water shortage, Chaplain Sneakypants has a big tub of relief. But it'll cost ya.
That's the kind of thing that, as Annie Lamott says, "would make Jesus drink gin out of a cat dish."
What is it that makes some Christians feel Jesus has to somehow be sold, like a health club membership, or sneaked into allegedly altruistic humanitarian efforts like protein powder into a double-thick chocolate shake?
And what is it about war that brings out spiritual opportunism?
In the last week or so, many evangelical Christian groups have announced their intentions to help--and help evangelize--post-war Iraq.
The Rev. Franklin Graham (Billy's son) announced that his organization, Samaritan's Purse, intended to bring humanitarian aid to Iraq. He also said it was an opportunity to evangelize.
The International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention said it plans to send volunteers to Iraq to provide food, shelter and "true freedom in Jesus Christ."
The International Bible Society has printed a Scripture booklet especially for Iraqi refugees.
"This always happens in the wake of war," said Ken Vaux, my old professor of Christian ethics at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston. "Subliminal to all war is a secret hope for conversion. It's usually a hope for the secular derivatives of the faith, not the faith itself. We hope for a different kind of society to emerge in Iraq."
This time around, there seems to be a not-so-hidden theological agenda.
Capitalizing on the dire humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people for anything other than an opportunity to relieve their suffering is disgraceful.
I suppose it's not surprising, however, considering President Bush's successful attempts to theologize the war. I mean, the man thinks God told him to do this, for heaven sakes.
"That makes the linking of evangelism and war philanthropy much more complex, and should lead us to much more humility about the gifts we offer," Vaux said.
Before the war started, Tony Campolo, a leading evangelist and Christian commentator, said he believed the war would set back the cause of Christian missions by 1,000 years.
And now, with Operation Iraqi Freedom seemingly nearing its end, and Operation Iraqi Conversion mustering at the borders, he seemed even more certain about that.
"We should do good simply for goodness' sake and not because we have an agenda of trying to manipulate people through charity into affirming our belief systems," Campolo was telling me Thursday. "I can identify with the heart of Franklin Graham to win people to Jesus, but when you're doing humanitarian aid you are not to use any form of coercion and I think it is coercion when you are dealing with desperately hungry people and desperately needy people and tell them that the help comes only if they're willing to listen to your gospel message."
"To make feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, or ministering to the sick contingent on a willingness to listen to a message that the needy might not want to listen to is oppressive and manipulative in a way that Jesus would not do it."
That goes for bathtubs as well as rice sacks.
According to the Gospel accounts, Jesus never bartered for grace. He didn't say, "Hey, before I get you those loaves and fishes, and some salve for that nasty leprosy, I've got to tell you something."
When people were hungry, he fed them. When they were sick, he healed them. And sometimes, the people Jesus helped didn't even know who he was.
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Liberals have lost the Iraq argument, so please stop whining...
by dolphman innothing you said was going to happen has actually happened.
the iraqis have welcomed us with open arms.
we have not decimated baghdad's infrastructure.
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Instead of blocking traffic why dont you send some food to Congo. Do something productive for a change.
I have been, I've been giving food to our homeless first.
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Great Site Iraq Information Minister
by anglise inthis site is brilliant.
sorry if it has already been posted.
anglise
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I was about to post this site, but feared the thread would be locked, and people wouldn't get the humor.
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I went to Church today
by Trauma_Hound in.
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I don't know, maybe I shouldn't judge him by the car he drives, for all we know, he could have been wealthy before he started preaching, and is the reason there is a homeless food program in that area. But still there is that appearance thing anyways. The fact of the matter is, I'm willing to help people, but I'm not sure I would be willing to go to a church, not that I'm scared of them, it is just, that I'm not sure I actually believe in a god, or the bible for that matter. I grew up on the streets of Seattle, having run away from my JW upbringing and home. I help other programs, like one called Teen Feed in the U-District area, that is run out of another church. I actually used this, when I was a teen on the streets. They have a teen homeless shelter, and feed the kids on the street. I kind of feel, like that now I'm in a position, where I make good money, and want to pay back some of that kindness I was given.
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Cost of War
by hippikon inive seen estimates that the war in iraq has cost so far $160,000,000,000 us
imagine what you could buy with that kind of money
1,600 hospitals
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Then there's the estimated 300 billion Iraqi deficit.
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shunned in my own home
by wednesday ini just ordered the true believer from amazon, ordered it used.
very much looking forward to reading it.
btw, my husband has been basicaly shunning me due to this board.
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That's completely messed up, he shouldn't treat you like that. I hope he changes his mind, and starts thinking.
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I went to Church today
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... and donated a bunch of adult and baby food for the homeless. It actually was actually near the start of a sermon, they're choir was singing, sounded very good actually. The reason I went to the church, was because they were outside my safeway trying to get donations, so I took they're sheet and bought a bunch of food that was listed on it, when I came out, they were gone. So I called the number on the pamplet, and they left me a message today, so I dropped by after work to drop the food off. Well you think the dubs gang greet new people, I don't think I was ever greeted this friendly at any Kingdom Hall. Of course I did stand out, like a buch muscle man with flower tattoos, because I live in a prodomatly African American part of Seattle. I almost thought about staying for a second, because the woman that run the homeless food program, came up to get the food from me. She was very friendly, and well honestly quite stunning looking. I do have a thing for dark women, my ex-wife was African American, but she had these eyes that just made you want to look into them forever, and I thought about staying for a second. There was one thing that did bother me, because I had to double park my car, and they had me double park in front of the Pastor's car, and well it was a big black, brand new Mercedes. I don't drive a Mercedes, and I'm not poor by any means. Something bothers me, when a Minister makes more money than I do, and I'm giving food for the homeless at his ministry.
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