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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

Kelsey said "It has been clearly stated by myself and others that Bowen has a personal vendetta against the WT."

This has to be one of the most moronic statements I've ever seen. So just because I say your an idiot, does that make it so? I for a fact, have talked to Bill at length on the phone. I was going to do a PSA (Public Sevice Annoucement) for silentlambs, for broadcast television, and HE MADE IT CLEAR, that he did not want it to come across as a PSA trying to bring down the WTBS. He made this VERY clear. This was long before all this crap started to happen. When I did the press conference in Seattle, I also made it clear to the person that was hosting it, Bruce Baker that all personal things asside, the bottom line of the Silent Lamb org is to help survivors of abuse, not to bring down the WTBS. YOU AND OTHERS DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, PERIOD.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

Princess, give me a f'ing break, I haven't been part of any organisation in over 10 years, however I will protect children, in every way possible. It's funny, if you had actually read what posted, he said he makes mistakes, and I don't deny he makes mistakes. So what exactly is your friggen point? I don't really give a flying f^%^ if you agree with more not. You have the balls to sit there and call me a "true believer" and turn around and do exactly what you acuse me of doing with franz. I'm sorry, but franz isn't a f'ing saint.

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ray franze

by rekless in

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friends

first of all let me state: i read hid book two years ago.. second: is this i have corresponed with him also.. third i strill have this one question about his intergity toward mankind...he only wrote about the wrong doings of the gb after he was dfed.

most of us on this board stop going and da ourselves after we found out about the channel to god was a big joke.

all i see is mr. franz has used his position as an ex gb to make a very nice living for himself in his latter years.. i feel if he wasn't dfed he would still be hanging on to the beliefs of the jw's and still be letting innocent people die, because he didn't come forth and spill his guts while he was on the gb.. really letting all of us think that there was a direct channel to god through the gb makes him as blood guilty as those that are still there votinbg 2/3 whether the poor jdubs should live or die.this voting cost me a son that died of leukemia and a wife of a rare blood disorder.. yes, he may be a hero to most of you but if he had made a stand and walked away telling what he told after he was dfed then he would be a hero to me also, but he has play both ends against the middle and came out smelling like a rose.. when i found out about the malawi and mexico thing i stopped going and daed myself right after my wife passed away.

Trauma_Hound

Personally Franz never did a thing for me.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

Really kelsey? That's not what he said. What are your motives? Why don't you enlighten us all. In fact where is your proof that is his agenda? Huh?

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

Kenpo, Ah this is where you got it wrong, he's acting as an advocate, not as a psychologist, there is a big difference, he helps them get help, helps them by keeping this is the press. What other ex-jw has gotten this kind of press coverage? This much press coverage? As someone that used to be a member of the press pool, I've advised him on some things about continuing to keep this in the public light. However this infighting does not help at all, and if you wan't to continue to attack the silent lambs org, do so, but guess what your doing the WTBS a favor, now wouldn't you rather help kids? I think Bill explained himself quite well.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

No what you have done, is continuenly try to take focus off of an important issue, not your stupid little cat fight, you want to keep going.

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

Shame on you people! You people make me sick! The forums on the website have been planned long before this thing happened. Do you understand? Can you comprehend? Hello? You care more about bitching about what he said, she said, rather then helping to solve the problem, what is wrong with you people? Huh? I even had one of you people coming to me, to talk to Bill, what for? Why can't you do it yourself? I care about what happens to children, if you can't get over this, then go seek some psychiatric help, because this stupid ass bitching doesn't help the kids. Why don't you all take a good look in the mirror, and ask yourself, what have you done to make the pedophile situation better?

*of the I don't give a f$^% if you hate me class

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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Trauma_Hound

silentlambs,
Your desire to burn bridges when you do not meet with agreement is evident again in your stated intent to leave JWD and start your own forum.
I hope it works out for you

IW, please insert your foot, into your mouth, this has been planned for awhile, with many suggestions from many people about doing a forum on silentlambs, since the guestbook enteries, tended to be out of control.

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