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Is it worth it to sue the Society?

by Pathofthorns in

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a few weeks back i helped my brother move out of a shared apartment to a rented room in a rooming house.

there's no question that the years of having been a jw took their emotional, physical and mental toll on him and now as a former witness, life is not easy for him.. he understood when i refused to help him move the boxes and boxes of wt literature, the "apostate" cassettes/vhs tapes and other literature.

i asked him why he had to keep these things that had hurt him so much and he replied that "it was for the lawsuits".. i wondered in the back of my mind how many others obsessed over suing the wt society.

needs_lots

This is Vicki Boer, Iam really the one that should be answering that question, and it is a difficult one to answer. It has been a difficult battle. There were times when I wanted to give up. THe watchtower does try to wear you down so that you don't have the energy to keep fighting. Then when it comes to a settlement with a gag order, most people take it, and justice is not served again. They know the ropes very well. Its sickening the dirty games they play. BUT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if someone does not fight them, the abuse of victums will never stop. So its not a matter of " should we do this?," its "yes, we have to do this"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What choice did I have. Could I live the rest of my life knowing I could change child abuse policy and protect future children. I did not have a choice. My conscience would not allow me to give up. Even when times are hard like they are right now, I know I do not have a choice in this. Perhaps its a higher power directing me to clean out the sickness in the organization. Would you want your children to suffer the way I did? THe only support I had was my husband. We had no one else. THe rest of my family are jw's. Though recently my sister and brothers have left. If you knew you could save one life, but that it could have dire affects on your own, would you do it? Yes, to me its clear. I will just have to deal with what ever else this organization throws at me. Its just money, lives are far more important. Worst case happens, they take away all that I own financially, but they can't take my husband and kids from me. vicki boer

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

Special K We have been fighting this lawsuit form Fredericton, nb. You said you were from eastern canada. Where abouts? vic

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

Hello Impartial, I know this is fustrating for you as it is for me. I come here for moral support and you have to realize that most people here do not know anything more about the law then most. We all live in different parts of the country and even the world. So to put something together like fund raising or help with law is almost impossible. I need all of these people to be a sounding board for me at a time when we have no one else to go to. Sometimes I go on about how mad I am and fustrated I am at the courts and the judge, but I don't exspect anyone here to be able to help me other than to listen to my endless whinning. I don't understand what you want people on this forum to do? They listen, and understand. I few of them are behind the scenes and work at press releases and give more than moral support, but there is nothing more anyone can do. I have milked every possible resourse to figure this one out, but now I will have to sit back and let what will be, be. Thanks, and I do wish there was more I could do with your help. You seem to want to help so badly. Not many can say that. I have to sit back and wait the judges decision. vic

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New San Francisco Chronicle Article on JW Child Abuse, July 31/03 - Huge!

by hawkaw in

gerard, forgive me as you already posted this but i want this as a new post.

this is big news because this newspaper is northern california's largest newspaper.

page a15.

needs_lots

good job hawk, I know you had a rough day with all my legal s***t. Glad to see the article got you feeling better. I know it made me feel much better. Just hope my judge will read it while on vacation. I feel for these people filing the lawsuit. We all know what goes on inside the borg, but getting all of our evidence together and presenting it is another story. Sounds like they have some kick a** lawyers who know what they are doing. I can't wait to read more about it. I wonder if these 6 were made to confront their abusers in meetings after meetings. Iam sure they were. This is so good!!!!! Iam so excited to not be the only one. I hope they realize the long battle they have in front of them. But it is all worth it. Hang in there guys in california if you are reading this. Its a battle that is long over due. vic

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

Impartial.

As a former councel you know that we cannot just give information publicly when it is before the courts. As soon as the judge made her ruling on the trial it was posted for all to see. Now that the matter of costs is before the courts we cannot just give you the information for fear that it would somehow taint the process and give the JW's a chance to appeal.

You now make threats about our sincerity on this thread. We are sincere but cautious when it comes to dealings with the JW's. We have passed your suggestions on to our lawyer, but as we have said before, we cannot give as public information matters that are before the court.

As stated we have not recieved the submissions from either side, If it comes to an appeal then we would love to have your opinion on strategy.

We appreciate your offer to help but our lawyer is telling us that we have to be careful about what we say and do until it is all over.

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

Thanks sf,

I really will take your advice on fund raising. Canada 411 is currently having some problems, so our name is not on it, and perhaps that is why impartial had a hard time finding my lawyer. They told me it should be fixed soon. Mr.Bowen has my address as well. I now Simon said it was important to not put personal info here so I must respect his wishes. I know its for my safety. I will send out private email to get more info on ways to do it.

thanks again,

vic

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

I want everyone to know that I do appreciate all the love I get here. The other day my husband tried to tell me that I need to avoid reading anymore about this lawsuit and relax. But I can't . The only other support I get other than from my husband is from all of you. I have never asked for a penny from anyone throughout this lawsuit. We have just tried to make things work. But if anyone can help financially my husband I would be more than greatfull. I really want to fight this with all I have. I know I can't stop now. It makes me feel so cheap asking for this kind of help, but I really don't know what else to do. I got a wonderful email from a lady who is fighting for legal custody of her children to protect them from the borg, and it has drained her too. If anyone has been in a legal battle , they will understand our difficult situation. I hope one day to meet all of you. One of My greatest wishes is to be apart of an exjw reunion, where I can be with people who really understand how difficult it is.

I sent impartial a private post with Charles work number. I believe you posted his home number. Charles means well.......but Iam not sure what happened at trial. I don't know if iam aloud to post my address for support. But again......we live in Fredericton, newbrunswick canada and www.canada411.ca will give you our home address. It will be under my husbands name Scott Boer. Anything anyone can do to help would be a great gift. I hope one day to be able to help others when my life has calmed down. I would love to be the female "bill bowen". I think he is so couragous to do what he is doing. The funny thing is I didn't even know this support group exsisted until 2 months before my trial last september. I really was all alone. All of my family are JWs. Iam glad I saved my 3 little girls from it. I hope this battle teaches them some important lessons about life, and cults. I want them to be proud of who they are, without having to fall back on a religion for control.

thanks again,

vicki

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

Impartial,

Thanks again for your "diligence". I know that what you are saying makes total sense. But like I said before, unless you talk with my lawyer and help him to understand , I have given up. Everyone keeps telling me its too late. So unless you know a way.........please call him. I have tried and tried and tried......but no one listens to me. I had the proof, I had the book, I had 5 elders testifying with me that these guys did make me confront my father on 2 occassions, and I had people testify to the fact that I fell apart after the confrontations and was forced to leave. In my dads letter it said "Vicki became the sacrifical lamb". I told the truth, I did the research, despite what the judge says "I DO REMEMBER EVERYTHING". I remember being told to forgive my father, and show signs to the congregation that I had forgiven. I remember my parents making my life hell, cancelling my wedding and telling me that my children would die if I didn't turn around "my wicked ways" and come back to the truth. The "truth" that made me their sacrifice in their stupid game. Why the judge did not see......I have no clue. Iam being to wonder if anyone can help. We have 1 week to make submissions to the judge or appeal and no one has been able to come up with a plan that can work. Impartial, I have no idea if you are a spy for the society. I have asked you so many times to send me a private post and tell me who you are so I can get you to help me. Posting here does not help me. I can tell my lawyer all the things you said, but he won't do anything unless you have some kind of legal precedence. It would be just like the society to send someone in to screw with my mind, make me say something I shouldn't , and then twist that knife that one last time to kill what little life I have left. Actions speak louder than words. You say you can't find my lawyers number, well its there if you look. Go onto www.canada411.ca and look up his name. I can't take anymore chances. If you think you can help than for gods sake help. Yesterday I had the worst panick attack. My heart was beating so hard I thought I was going to die. All these words about what we should do, and what would help...........but I don't know a thing about law. I wanted to get into my car and never come back. Iam tired, very tired.......

v

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

This is vickis husband;

The flock book was used in the trial but the WT had a different print edition and the paragraphs were not on the same page so the WT lawyer got it dismissed from the judges consideration. So it was really the watchtower legal dept that did some fancy footwork to get the flock argument excluded. Hawkaw is right in that we have to let the judge make her decision about cost on the issues. As tough as it has been vicki is tired, so very tired now and does know what else to do other than survive this with her family intact.

As far as legal precidence dont forget that the judge noted the extraordinary amount of influence elders have in someones life.

If you want to help vicki then get us some canadian legal precidence for admitting evidence through proper channels.

And if the JW's get costs from us then it will be at a huge PR cost to them. Let their true colours come out in the press.

If you want SF then release your plan in the court of public opinion and not at the judges. You will be far more effective by exposing the dirt to the masses than to a judge who is bound by the rule of law. We know you mean us no harm, but please for gods sake don't destroy the only chance we have to get out of this JW nightmare. We have no idea if it will help or hurt by sending her the info direct. Don't give the JW bastards even the slightest chance to weasel out of this.

Scott

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Jehovah's Witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit

by ignored_one in

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20030723/cpn/20587021&cachetime=15 .

jehovah's witnesses asking woman to pay legal costs in sexual abuse lawsuit.

toronto (cp) - a woman who received $5,000 in damages after accusing the canadian wing of the jehovah's witnesses of negligence over their handling of allegations of sexual abuse is being asked to pay for part of the religious group's legal costs in the case.

needs_lots

Impartial,

The american law is different than that in canada. If my lawyer does not present important information than it would be him i would go after in court for negligence after my lawsuit is closed. This is what I have been told. I know nothing. I am a 32 mother of 3 little girls, with no education when it comes to the law. I hear different stories about what I can and can't do every day. Everyone has their own opinion, and I have no idea. I am being lead blindly, and Iam trying to figure out what advice I can use. I wish I knew the law better. But I don't . If you"impartial" think you can help, or see something that we don't or know something we don't, then I suggest you talk with my lawyer and make suggestions to him. His number is in the Toronto Phone book under "CHARLES C MARK". Perhaps you can help by calling him. I wish too that the judge could see the flock book, and I don't understand why Hawk thinks it wouldn't be a good idea for others to write to her and tell her their story and send the book. It would be up to her to decide to read it or not. It wouldn't be coming from me or my lawyer. What other options do we have. Do we just sit back and let this thing fall apart. I think everyone could try and take some kind of action. If even after she has done costs, it would still be good for her to hear other stories, and read the book. Of course I don't know. I don't know how far we as a society can take it.

needs_lots

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