Bat...all you've done is do some name calling...where are some specific QUESTIONS!!!!!!
Q!
okay quantum: before we do battle with your so-called 'evidence' which are nothing more then unproven assertions --- it is only fair that people here see the ex-mormon board, and except for the label differences, like borg (jw) vs morg (lds) and things like that ... it is like reading a parallel universe of the ex-jw boards ... and the problems with child molestation (i.e.
jeff anderson lawsuit against the mormon church in portland, oregon) and the abuse of women all sound like familiar themes ... and clearly give abundant evidence that the same symptoms must suggest the same causes .... check it out at: http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/w-agora.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery.
one ex-mormon fellow has even complained how he was inappropriately touched during his ordination ceremony ... by another man who rubbed up against him with an erection.. such experiences do not address your assertions, and are not intended to ... rather, these and many other ex-mormon experiences suggest that even if the bom, d&c or jod were somewhat historical as is the bible, that mormonism is still seriously deficient ... lacking so much that it does not hold up to being a worthwhile group to participate in ... and .... while many ex-jws are quite capable of debating with you ... i have invited ex-mormons to register here and see if they will deal with you ... they are in a far better position to address your claims and assertions and raise strong and credible concerns ... whereas we ex-jws can sit back and watch and see where it goes.
Bat...all you've done is do some name calling...where are some specific QUESTIONS!!!!!!
Q!
okay quantum: before we do battle with your so-called 'evidence' which are nothing more then unproven assertions --- it is only fair that people here see the ex-mormon board, and except for the label differences, like borg (jw) vs morg (lds) and things like that ... it is like reading a parallel universe of the ex-jw boards ... and the problems with child molestation (i.e.
jeff anderson lawsuit against the mormon church in portland, oregon) and the abuse of women all sound like familiar themes ... and clearly give abundant evidence that the same symptoms must suggest the same causes .... check it out at: http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/w-agora.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery.
one ex-mormon fellow has even complained how he was inappropriately touched during his ordination ceremony ... by another man who rubbed up against him with an erection.. such experiences do not address your assertions, and are not intended to ... rather, these and many other ex-mormon experiences suggest that even if the bom, d&c or jod were somewhat historical as is the bible, that mormonism is still seriously deficient ... lacking so much that it does not hold up to being a worthwhile group to participate in ... and .... while many ex-jws are quite capable of debating with you ... i have invited ex-mormons to register here and see if they will deal with you ... they are in a far better position to address your claims and assertions and raise strong and credible concerns ... whereas we ex-jws can sit back and watch and see where it goes.
hey buddy if you want to find the answers you'll have to follow my posts on other threads.....I'm a busy man!!! don't be so dumb!
QUANTUM INCREDIBLY PATIENT
please refer to the following.
http://farms.byu.edu/free/transcripts/index.html.
begin with daniel peterson's evidences for the book of mormon.
HERE IS A BIT OF EVIDENCE YOU WERE ALL SCREAMING FOR
Often prophies are made and people can't see there fulfilment when it's right in front of them.
Before 1830 Joseph Smith declared a prophesy in the Bible was going to start to be fulfilled..Today it is the greatest American Pastime surpassing Golf and Kniting. The LDS church is deeply involved with this prophesy but so are many many people around the world and it's getting bigger and bigger....and they don't even know it...any guesses?
Quantum has a puzzle!!!!
please refer to the following.
http://farms.byu.edu/free/transcripts/index.html.
begin with daniel peterson's evidences for the book of mormon.
please little girl.....your crocodile tears are wasted on me.....
There are many places in this country and around the world which might not be a good place to find employment for certain individuals for various reasons...so move on....blaming the locals for your problem is stupid. Why your parents forsed you to attend that particular school is their falt....my understanding that in utah you can attend any school you want........Being in an area where a particular church is dominant has it's draw backs for non members...the smat thing to do is leave...were your parents that stupid too!
QUANTUM GETTING TIRED OF CHILDREN STORIES
okay quantum: before we do battle with your so-called 'evidence' which are nothing more then unproven assertions --- it is only fair that people here see the ex-mormon board, and except for the label differences, like borg (jw) vs morg (lds) and things like that ... it is like reading a parallel universe of the ex-jw boards ... and the problems with child molestation (i.e.
jeff anderson lawsuit against the mormon church in portland, oregon) and the abuse of women all sound like familiar themes ... and clearly give abundant evidence that the same symptoms must suggest the same causes .... check it out at: http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/w-agora.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery.
one ex-mormon fellow has even complained how he was inappropriately touched during his ordination ceremony ... by another man who rubbed up against him with an erection.. such experiences do not address your assertions, and are not intended to ... rather, these and many other ex-mormon experiences suggest that even if the bom, d&c or jod were somewhat historical as is the bible, that mormonism is still seriously deficient ... lacking so much that it does not hold up to being a worthwhile group to participate in ... and .... while many ex-jws are quite capable of debating with you ... i have invited ex-mormons to register here and see if they will deal with you ... they are in a far better position to address your claims and assertions and raise strong and credible concerns ... whereas we ex-jws can sit back and watch and see where it goes.
DAWN
the ex mormon doesn't have a clue why I'm here because he never saw all of the posts I made. that is precisly why he is an ex mormon. He never understood the religion in the first place...some just don't get it or anything else in their lives. You on the other hand aren't any better because you are the kind of person who enjoys proliferating falacious gossip and deception...just as you probably did as a JW going door to door.
Quantum......He never fails to hit the nail on the head!!!
Edited by - QUANTUM on 12 July 2002 2:50:5
okay quantum: before we do battle with your so-called 'evidence' which are nothing more then unproven assertions --- it is only fair that people here see the ex-mormon board, and except for the label differences, like borg (jw) vs morg (lds) and things like that ... it is like reading a parallel universe of the ex-jw boards ... and the problems with child molestation (i.e.
jeff anderson lawsuit against the mormon church in portland, oregon) and the abuse of women all sound like familiar themes ... and clearly give abundant evidence that the same symptoms must suggest the same causes .... check it out at: http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/w-agora.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery.
one ex-mormon fellow has even complained how he was inappropriately touched during his ordination ceremony ... by another man who rubbed up against him with an erection.. such experiences do not address your assertions, and are not intended to ... rather, these and many other ex-mormon experiences suggest that even if the bom, d&c or jod were somewhat historical as is the bible, that mormonism is still seriously deficient ... lacking so much that it does not hold up to being a worthwhile group to participate in ... and .... while many ex-jws are quite capable of debating with you ... i have invited ex-mormons to register here and see if they will deal with you ... they are in a far better position to address your claims and assertions and raise strong and credible concerns ... whereas we ex-jws can sit back and watch and see where it goes.
bat...
you're completely confused and irrelevant. Why would you take the time to re-edit my post and insert your little nothings. ...really, I can't help but laugh almost uncontrollably at you idiocy. show me some real stuff. Stop boring me and every body else.
Quantum...HE WHO KNOWS!
please refer to the following.
http://farms.byu.edu/free/transcripts/index.html.
begin with daniel peterson's evidences for the book of mormon.
alamb:
I have sent people to where the evidence is but when it comes right down to it no one here really wants to know anything else.....The big bad wts ruined them for receiving any light and their is my resentment for the WTS ..because I have freinds whose brains have become mush because of them.....No one in good consciece can compare the LDS church and the WTS. We walk on opposite sides of the street. Where one is a prison the other a gift.
Q!
know that evolution thread?
it's buried now somewhere around page 8 or 9 and still getting posts.
however not as many as one would expect given its initial popularity.
BIG FRANK! TO YOUR FREINDS
f to those who see through you!
Q..........ONE WHO WRITES
okay quantum: before we do battle with your so-called 'evidence' which are nothing more then unproven assertions --- it is only fair that people here see the ex-mormon board, and except for the label differences, like borg (jw) vs morg (lds) and things like that ... it is like reading a parallel universe of the ex-jw boards ... and the problems with child molestation (i.e.
jeff anderson lawsuit against the mormon church in portland, oregon) and the abuse of women all sound like familiar themes ... and clearly give abundant evidence that the same symptoms must suggest the same causes .... check it out at: http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/w-agora.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery.
one ex-mormon fellow has even complained how he was inappropriately touched during his ordination ceremony ... by another man who rubbed up against him with an erection.. such experiences do not address your assertions, and are not intended to ... rather, these and many other ex-mormon experiences suggest that even if the bom, d&c or jod were somewhat historical as is the bible, that mormonism is still seriously deficient ... lacking so much that it does not hold up to being a worthwhile group to participate in ... and .... while many ex-jws are quite capable of debating with you ... i have invited ex-mormons to register here and see if they will deal with you ... they are in a far better position to address your claims and assertions and raise strong and credible concerns ... whereas we ex-jws can sit back and watch and see where it goes.
spidermonkey
Thanks for your sincere reply. I understand what you said. some do not see it at all and some, like myself, had the heavens opened to them. I don't know why some never get that certain witness. but we don't stop hoping for them.
QUANTUM THE SAD!
please refer to the following.
http://farms.byu.edu/free/transcripts/index.html.
begin with daniel peterson's evidences for the book of mormon.
say bang
you don't know too much do you? you are refering to a situation that developed over a period of time. Plural Marriage was not illegal in this country when first practiced by the church. what ever ones personal feelings are about the practice is another issue. When the mormons moved to utah it was not a state but a territory...also no aw against plural marriage.
When the Government did pass laws against it many families were living as plural.....many in the church felt that no matter what the government said they were not going to submitt....after all they felt it was from God. only after the full power of the gov. came down upon the church did they relinquish. Why? 1. they did their best to live the commandments of God 2. God released them from the pledge 3. the scripture..render unto ceasar what is his is also a command. God established this country to be a bastion of freedom. No one except those who lived this law will understand it's full meaning....the church did not cave in ....they finally obeyed the law of the land, a law directed at them specifically. I wonder if such a law could be enacted today with the extreme prevalence of immorality contrary to Bible priciples...after all the law against plural marriage was because of what was viewed as Biblical Immorality. Today, multiple sex partners, marriages, homosexuality etc. etc. etc....is all accepted without hardly a peep of objection
Try to come up with something better
Quantum the pure!!