Posts by MrDarkKnight

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To ex-elders,that are df'ed, disassociated, fadeing and a wife thats still in please answer this.

by TheLoveDoctor in

me ex elder, pioneer was very active but am trying to fade.

one elder knows how i feel and i would not talk to anyone but him.

i miss most meetings now.

MrDarkKnight

LoveDoctor - I agree with dozy. The elders are expected to respect your headship and meet with your wife in your presence. Additionally, if they have a concern about you they are supposed to "man up" and address it head on. This does not always happen. In my 15 years as an elders I served with many spineless men with no backbone and no ability or desire to act on their own. They did not like confrontation and cowered when meeting with "free thinkers."

I always got the job of talking with the "free thinkers" over the years (probably because I knew in my heart I was one of them). As I think back each one of them had valid issues and concerns and we simply brushed them aside with our standard pat replies. Most them got frustrated and left WT. I completely understand why because I have done the same thing.

I hope you can preserve your marriage. Mine fell apart. But honestly, it was a long time coming and I am truly happy.

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What was something that you loved but were denied as a JW?

by Chemical Emotions in

i could go on and on about all the things i loved, but i'll keep it brief and just mention one, rather trivial thing: music.

i love grunge and punk, and occasionally heavy metal, and can't listen to a lot of it as a witness..

MrDarkKnight

Organized sports. I was recruited every year for basketball and track and baseball and every year I asked my Dad if I could play. If I hear 1 Timothy 4:8 again I think I will scream!

Now that I am inactive and out of the congregation I recently became certified as a Coach with National Alliance for Youth Sports. I will be coaching football and basketball this year. I CANNOT WAIT!!!!

My son, who is 12 years old and lives with his JW mother, was upset when I told him I was coaching now. He said, "But Dad you won't be able to coach me." I told him when he visits he can practice with the teams and if he's here when we have a game I will let him play, after all I am the coach. When I told him I would make sure I had a uniform for him his eyes lit up and he flashed a big smile and said "Cool."

I think forbidding kids to play organized sports robs them of a really, really good time. It sucks.

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Best way to step down from being a servant

by RayPublisher in

hey i'm wondering if anyone can give some good advice on how to step down in the safest way.. i have served as an ms for a number of years, but can't do it anymore.

i know too much i want to fade in the future when i get some family things straightened out.

i can't move right now so that's out unfortunately.. what should i tell the body?

MrDarkKnight

Ray Publisher - The pool of Ministerial Servants is VERY LOW compared to years ago. This was mentioned at the last Elders school. If the number of servants continues to drop their will be qualified brothers to become elders. It will become more and more difficult to sustain the number of congregations and they will have to be dissolved as they have been in New York City for the last 10 years. This is why they are making all this effort. It has nothing to do with you. It has everything with keeping the mothership afloat.

Fade on brother.

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What made you leave "The Truth"?

by Chemical Emotions in

for me it was many things.

most concerned certain teachings that invloved genders, children, sex, sexuality and sexual orientations, disfellowshipping, apostates, blood, rape, and few other things, as well as the jw's unloving attitude toward so many people..

MrDarkKnight

I agree with the other former Elders. The higher I climbed the more hypocrisy I saw. For all the time I invested in being a WT operative I received no support when I needed it. The pat responses to my concerns no longer worked on me and finally one day I said: "I'm out."

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Movies that resonate with you as an ex-JW or awake JW

by RayPublisher in

the matrix - "do you want the blue pill or the red pill?

", "all i offer you is the truth", "ignorance is bliss", "the matrix is all around us".

shutter island - creepy, is it real or isn't it, it turns out the whole thing is a dream.

MrDarkKnight

As a burned out elder I love the Jason Bourne line from the Bourne Ultimatum: "Do you even know WHY you a supposed to kill me? Look at us, look at what they make you give."

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The effect we are having on the Watchtower is HUGE

by jwfacts in

i was inspired by a recent thread i know i aint gunna crumble the wt, but a girl can dream to look at the effect we as individuals are having on the watchtower society.. 3dogs1husband quoted a story to show that even helping only one person is worth it.. it is encouraging to note that the one person you may have helped has lead to millions being helped, due to the power of compounding growth.. compounding growth is well illustrated by the rice on a chessboard problem.

if you start with 1 grain of rice on square one, and double it to 2 on the second, 4 on the third, 8 on the fourth, by the last (64th) square there would be 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 grains of rice.. likewise, if you help one person out of the grip of the watchtower this year, then next year you help one more and they help one, in a few years that is going to have a formidable result on the number of jehovahs witnesses.

look at the following statistics.

MrDarkKnight

I served as elder in a NYC congregation. We easily had 30-40 young people during the time I was there. As of this moment only 5 are are still in organization.

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What is the most offensive/idiotic piece of WT literature you've read from the past 20 years (approximately)?

by Chemical Emotions in

i think that some of the dumbest were ones that pertained to science- not all of them, but a few, particularly the ones about evolution.

the most offensive (and also dumbest) were the ones about women, and the ones about rape.

those were horrible.

MrDarkKnight

The School and Jehovah's Witnesses Brochure no longer used.

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This convention blows

by Anony Mous in

seriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.

i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.

) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..

MrDarkKnight

Designs - Is it that obvious?

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This convention blows

by Anony Mous in

seriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.

i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.

) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..

MrDarkKnight

If I know 2+2=4, not 5, does that make me arrogant and superior for stating it over and over while dissing those who insist it is 5?

Godrulz - In my opinion it does. Let's use the sentence above as an example of your arrogance, same as the WTS. First of all you state, "If I know", as if YOU are an authority on spirituality, as if YOU set the standard and hence I should listen to YOUinspite of what my own common sense, reason and experiences tell me.

Secondly, I have not said what you believe is wrong, nor have I dissed you in anway, I simply made an observation about your approach, not your beliefs. I never said that 2+2=5, I simply said that I am going to work out 2+2 from the beginning and see what answer I get, I will assume it is 4 because that is what I have been taught.

You preceded the sentence above with a reiteration of what YOU believe and why YOU believe it is the TRUTH and WHY we all NEED to hear you out or we will PERISH (your words not mine.) Your basic message is the same as the WTS. Believe as I do or die.

Hey, I'm just sayin.

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This convention blows

by Anony Mous in

seriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.

i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.

) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..

MrDarkKnight

Godrulz...you may not be aware of this so I will give you my observation of your comments. You seem to have the same air of superiority and arrogance as the WTS. You appear to resort to labeling those who believe other than you do and promoting your belief system. Like the WTS you become very defensive when your views are challenged and instead of answering questions, you bomb us with a dissertation of what your capablilities are, how much you know, how closely your beliefs are to the Scriptures and how wrong we were to have been a part of the WTS.

Of course this is America and we are all free to believe and say what we want as long as it does not injure others or threaten national security. And you can post whatever you want on this board. But I must tell you that your method of communication is very similar to what we all left behind and I am not motivated to read your posts or give them serious consideration because they bring back bad memories. And I gave up debating when I stopped going from door to door. It is a pointless exercise that demeams my neighbor's right to his opinions.

Your assertion that leaving WT for nothing is an opinion that you are entitled to. I personally do not agree. Some have good reasons for choosing to be atheists, others for changing religions. Personally I am not inclined to join another group or to become an atheist.

I am taking this opportunity to start from the beginning and enjoy the journey of spirituality. The destination will manifest itself in due time.