one of the things that really bothered me is how most of the book of revelation isn't understood by most jws.
most of the trumpets were already sounded many decades ago, is that still right?
it seems like most jws just look the other way.
How about Babylon the Great not being Christendom but a bigger middle east based outfit?
You mean the place that sounds like "Becca"? That was a good one. I think I want more from you...How far is Babylon, NY from the old Bethel buildings in Brooklyn?
I saw that zombie movie too. I think it was called "World War Z"? Don't watch the trailer! It's too graphic.
one of the things that really bothered me is how most of the book of revelation isn't understood by most jws.
most of the trumpets were already sounded many decades ago, is that still right?
it seems like most jws just look the other way.
It appears there are no more giant new interpretations of scripture these last few decades. Only Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Franz were allowed to introduce major new understandings of scripture. The constant threat against independent thinking stifles new concepts and real change. Everyone everywhere in JWdom is afraid of being stabbed in the back and labeled an apostate. The downfall of Ray Franz is proof of that. I probably know more new stuff than they do. When you're PIMO your mind is allowed to think critically and even speculate here and there.
so, jehovah's witnesses and many other biblical literalists think that the "whole world" was flooded during noahs day.. they take the "accounts" in genesis literally.
so that means that areas as far away as australia, russia, argentina, greenland, antarctica were all visited by noah and his family to gather animals and preach before it happened right??
they then took everything back to the middle east to board the ark...uh huh.... yet, the same expression in the bible for the "whole world" is also used in the account about the "worldwide famine" in josephs day!
If you don’t like Moses’ explanation of past world events then look to Plato for another view point.
From one myth to another. Plato’s Critias mentions the Atlantis fable.
“Many great deluges have taken place during the nine thousand years, for that is the number of years which have elapsed since the time of which I am speaking; and during all this time and through so many changes, there has never been any considerable accumulation of soil coming down from the mountains, as in other places, but the earth has fallen away all round and sunk out of sight. The consequence is, that in comparison of what then was, there are remaining only the bones of the wasted body, as they may be called, as in the case of small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil having fallen away, and the mere skeleton of the land being left.”
http://sacred-texts.com/cla/plato/critias.htm
Plato is not mentioning the sinking of Atlantis in this portion of the story. Earlier in the story he is describing a local myth where there is a gradual loss of land over a great period of time. He might be describing the slow flooding of the Mediterranean after the land mass between Spain and Morocco broke loose. At some point in ancient history the Atlantic Ocean drained into the Mediterranean. Geologists agree that the flooding of the Mediterranean happened but there is doubt that it happened during man’s existence.
You never know, some myths could have some sort of truth in them.
with the ever present issue of the society seeming to run out of money, and constantly asking the flock for more donations, maybe it is time to revive this quote!.
the leaked financial dept videos that have done the rounds, clearly show the society is in desperate trouble financially.. so, where is the "almighty's hand"?
where is his ability to provide funds?
Venus. In my experience most JW's who leave become atheists. Those that left were either stumbled or hurt by some sort of leadership counsel or discipline. Your statement is true and wise. Thanks for sharing.
When religious leaders exploit the ignorant in the name of God (when God is commercially used by the religion) atheists appear denying the very basis the exploiters stand on. Thus exploiters are the cause, and atheism is the consequence—again an interesting situation that indirectly honors God who put in place the omnipresent Law of Cause and Effect
my husband is dfed but he is a prime example of someone who was a puppet for the watchtower.
i was able to wake him a little with the sex abuse scandal.
he was an elder and is very familiar with those rules.
"And they kept doing bad in the eye's of Jehovah...they would also not tear down the high places...I kept sending prophets to correct them but they would not listen.,,I shall use the surrounding nations to punish them." - a gamut of scriptures from who knows where.
The high places could be likened to the image of the Organization. They worship it more than God. The image of the organization is more important than protecting children. God does not need anyone to protect his image. You do the right thing and then he will be with you. When Israelite leaders rebelled against God he would no longer give them guiding counsel. The word of Jah would no longer be in the land. That sounds exactly like today. No new insights of what is to come.This board of past members are like the prophets and countries like Russia are the surrounding nations.
jesus christ, the son of the most high god, jehovah has this to say: "if the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.
if you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own.
now because you are no part of the world, but i have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.
Now why did you have to go and swat that hornet's nest BlackSpirit? Now all these angry bugs are trying to sting everything in sight! Where's the smoke bomb to clear them out?
let’s start with the good news for the congregation that is.
two new sisters were added to the group a mother and her daughter.
then the bad news.
A former congregation of mine had to merge with its sister congregation at the kingdom hall because there were too few members in each. Now they have too many elders in the one. A bunch of them had to lose their special titles.
austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.
in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.
seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.
Is it true? If someone converts to Islam you are given an Islamic sounding name? I found out while visiting a Muslim country that this was the case. Why can't the leadership be happy with the name they already have? My sources say, the name change is for other Muslim followers to know who to rat on when someone disobeys the Quran. Does this sound familiar? You're not speaking the pure language.
my wife's parents are in very bad shape.
they are both 2nd gen jws.
my father in law worked for a large american manufacturing company in the 60s and early 70s.
I was told by an elder many years ago that I should invest in the 401k plan on my first job that had one. I said, "Isn't the end so near that we won't be needing a retirement savings?" He said, "You need to save for retirement just in case the paradise is way off in the distant future ." He's still in but he's too old to have elder duties anymore.
newsflash.
there are businesses that are now discriminating in their hiring practices based on the fact that you are a jw.. sure, you think i'm mad.
but it's true.. the business circles have become acutely aware of the -not even 1 year old- decision in the industrial court where a jw ratted out a fellow jw and brought disrepute to the bank where they both worked.
Something similar happened to me. A confidential blood matter reached the CO and he was blabbing it to every Tom Dick and Harry at the Halls. Unbeknownst to him, he blabbed it to the source. That day, I knew this was a man unapproved by Jesus.
