The contradictions in the bible to the WT teachings and the many failed predictions.
Acluetofindtheuser
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1995 generation change
by Gorb innow, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
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Acluetofindtheuser
I think the clue to the end of it all is when Jesus is identified as the son of man. The apostles asked him the three questions while sitting on the mound of olives:
Matthew 24
1. When will these things be? - Throwing down of the physical temple.
2. Sign of your presence - Where he is not to be found anywhere but his influence is more like the lightning effect.
3. Conclusion of the system of things - When he comes as the son of man in the heavens and when the powers of the heavens are shaken.
Luke 17:22 records Jesus as saying this statement to his apostles, "Days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the son of man, but you will not see it."
My understanding from this scripture is that those who heard Jesus say these words will not be around when he comes in power as the son of man in his second coming. These people were alive when he ascended into the clouds but they never witness his return. I can only assume that word "generation" is not the right word to use in Matthew 24:34. it should be replaced with the term Jewish Nation. I guess this labels me an apologetic in trying to make sense of the bible. So be it.
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1995 generation change
by Gorb innow, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
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Acluetofindtheuser
Jesus was answering an Italian's, a gentil's question
I see no mention in any of the four gospels where Pilate the Italian gentile was told the statement by Jesus that he will come on the clouds of heaven in power on his return.
Matthew 26:57-65 said that Jesus was only before Caiaphas the high priest, the chief priests and the entire Sanhedrin when he said, "Jesus said to him [Ciaphas]: "You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of of heaven."
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1995 generation change
by Gorb innow, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
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Acluetofindtheuser
Incidentally some Christadelphians read “this generation will not pass away until all these things occur” as meaning “this race of people will not pass away until all these things occur” referring to the Jews as a people now restored to Israel.
slimboyfat's comment above really got to me as a PIMO witness. The current generation teaching of the organization is bunk and makes no sense whats so ever. The Christadelphian view seems to correspond to another comment made by Jesus when he was on trial. When the high priest was trying to force Jesus' true identity the high priest convinced Jesus to say the following,"...From now on you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven." Since Jesus has not come back yet I understand this comment to mean that the Jews will still be around as a nation to see his his future return. The generation meaning has to be a group of people and not a time period.
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Most doubts aren't created by apostates. They are created in a Kingdom Hall.
by pistolpete ini found this interesting perspective on reddit.. post;.
i remember the moment the first real crack in my faith happened as a jehovah's witness.
i was sitting in the kingdom hall during the watchtower study where, as is common, the article was talking about how the israelites as a nation abandoned jehovah.. "but wait," i thought, "having a nation represent him here on earth was part of his plan.
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Acluetofindtheuser
Reading the bible and thinking for myself opened my eyes. A person can play dumb for only so long.
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This morning's WT: mundane miracle and another hint
by neat blue dog inmore proof of god's backing!.
on friday, april 19, 2019 .
a crowd of 20,919,041 gathered to observe the memorial of jesus’ death.
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Acluetofindtheuser
If they keep pushing that 120 year preaching period leading up to 2034, then they should publish a watchtower that states the book of Jasher is now part of the bible cannon. Only the book of Jasher spells out a 120 preaching campaign of Noah before the decree to flood the world. Genesis is kind of cryptic as to what the 120 year period is meant to be for. Is it is a countdown to the flood or a reduction in the human lifespan? Also, who in bethel got the big booming message from the sky in 1914 that declared mankind has 120 years left before the big A?
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We got a letter addressed to Barbara Anderson and my husband!
by 3rdgen inno kidding!
the return address is the po box for the local kh.
the letter was addressed: .
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Acluetofindtheuser
That sounds like the work of a psycho. You said she was even "kookie as can be" when you saw her last. I knew of one pioneer sister that's my mom's age who was beyond weird. If you think people are turned away from the strange JW message can you image the horror they fell when it's one of these crazy ladies at their door.
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Why Does It Seem That Black People Are Always Being Shot By The Police?
by minimus inthere is either a conspiracy against blacks in this country and police are out to get them or it’s that they are getting caught breaking the law and often times refuse to obey police authority.
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Acluetofindtheuser
Maybe these black suspects don't feel understood by non-black police arresting them. They might be more cooperative if there's a black cop present at the scene.
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JW.org Focus on the Past - Have Always Wondered?
by JWTom injust curious of others thoughts.....while watching the latest round of convention videos with my pimi wife it was highlighted again in the content how much the wt org.
has always focused on the past (in my opinion).
many of the historical events that are highlighted as significant are from 100+ years ago in some cases.
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Acluetofindtheuser
There are no current GB prophets in JW land that can decipher the cryptic future prophecies of the bible. Therefore, all the imagined stuff of the past given to us by Russell, Rutherford, Franz and Freddie is the only content they have to work with.
How will Armageddon really play out?
How will Paradise really be restored to the earth?
How will the aging process be reversed after Paradise is restored?
How will the good dead people come out of the ground after Paradise is restored?
Nobody knows!
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Jesus on the stake
by dothemath ini sat in recently with some relatives for the sunday meeting.
the talk was given by a bethel speaker, who at one point quoted john 20:25.
“but he said to them: “unless i see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, i will never believe it.”.
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Acluetofindtheuser
Good observation dothemath.
After being pimo for a while now I am convinced that Jesus was nailed to a "T" shaped device instead of a plain upright pole. There is more historical and biblical evidence against the singe upright pole theory. The original WT leadership probably thought there was no harm in demonizing the cross but it helped them re brand their own form of Christianity. The current leadership will fight tooth and nail to support their new light doctrine of the upright pole belief. It makes them feel set apart from wicked Christendom. Sadly this attitude will cause them to be blind to many other bible truths because it doesn't fit in with solidified old WT doctrines.