Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

I can see this being a possibility. My step father was an elder for a long time and once served at bethel in his youth. He stepped down from being an elder not long after my mother married him. When I lived under his roof my mom would tell me that he always argue with the elders about certain matters pertaining to the congregation. If he were alive today I could see him meeting up with that rebel group of witnesses.

I’m in the 30-40 range and about half of my age group has left the WT. The few that have stayed in the Org these last 10 years or so are starting to doubt and leave. There’s a small group of us that get together for social gatherings to eat, watch movies and do whatever. At times we discuss the WT Org that should be. We keep all discussions confidential within our inner circle. We also consider iron, sharpening iron when we have deep conversations about what the future really holds.

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All 144,000 are on earth while the Great Multitude is in heaven

by Doug Mason in

why do the 144,000 need sealing?.

what does it mean that the angels hold back the winds so that the sealing can take place?.

where is the great multitude?.

Acluetofindtheuser

" there was no longer any sea " would indicate that what was seen as the canopy , sky , between heaven and earth had gone . Sea was used to depict the heavens in the sense of the sky . So the boundary between heaven and earth was removed ."

Or it could be literal in another sense. John wrote Revelation while on the island of Patmos in the Aegean Sea. He probably had a vision of an empty Aegean Sea or even the whole Mediterranean Sea. The Pacific and Atlantic oceans could still be present. Bible writers never saw the earth from outer space in their visions. If this were true the Jews and Christians would have had globes of earth thousands of years ago.

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HBO Scientology Documentary

by tresdecu in

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has anyone else seen the hbo scientology documentary 'going clear' - wow...cults are just mind-blowing you wonder how people can fall for that garbage, then you (those of us former/fading jws) look in the mirror.. i would love for someone to make a major jw documentary like this.

'going clear' is getting a lot of press.

poor tom cruise...he looks like quite the whack job in it too.

Acluetofindtheuser

I saw the documentary a few days ago. It was quite an eye opener.

In the documentary I noticed the active believers did not respond well to criticism on camera. That may have been on purpose for the documentary. I remember L. Ron Hubbard and one of the ex-wives told their interviewers, “shame on you” or “that was rude of you” about a remark they did not want to challenge. It’s hard to defend a belief system that has no facts to support it. I can imagine why they are so upset.

One lesson I learned from the show is that if you cross a Scientologist they will get even with you as a group. They even black mailed leading IRS employees to get their tax exempt status. I found it very interesting that the higher the levels of Clear you go the more dirt the organization will have on you for blackmail. When a member finds out you’re having doubts they will task special members to scour your Auditing sessions for any form of dirt to keep you quiet.

Finally I now know why they have an erupting volcano on the Dianetics book cover.

A leader of an over populated alien world sent people of that world to our planet and dropped them into earth’s volcanos. After detonating atom bombs within those volcanoes the souls of the alien people, called body thetans, began roaming the earth invisibly. Life’s mental problems are a result of being possessed by these body thetans. The Auditing sessions reveal the life experiences of these body thetans. The goal is to get these beings purged from your mind. There could be many in one person. That is why you try to attain higher levels of Clear. You’re clearing out the aliens from your mind. This is all I could gather from the film.

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the Witch of Endor

by Magnum in

1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).

7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.

then his servants said to him: look!

Acluetofindtheuser

Maybe the answer to this enigma hinges upon Jesus' statement made to the Sadducees at Luke 20:37-38.

"But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the burning bush, where he calls the Lord THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB. "Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; for all live to Him."

I even think the resurrection of Lazarus gives a clue to this puzzle as well. Lazarus was declared dead for four days. Every part of his body was in the process of decay. Jesus' statement above implies that the dead are alive with God. Jesus tapped into that special place where God keeps the living dead in order to bring Lazarus back.

Back to Saul and the witch of Endor. If it was a demon, the demon would have refused to comply or would have given better news to Saul even if it was false information. Since the message from the woman came true it had to come from God. It would have to be God speaking through the brain pattern of Samuel.

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Will someone, please, stop ISIS?

by skeeter1 in

will anyone stop isis?by josh levs, cnnupdated 2:07 pm edt, thu august 7, 2014(cnn) -- if you're following the news about isis, which now calls itself the islamic state, you might think you've mistakenly clicked on a historical story about barbarians from millennia ago.. in a matter of months, the group seized territory in both iraq and syria and declared an islamic caliphate, celebrating its own shocking slaughter along the way.. "i don't see any attention from the rest of the world," a member of the yazidi minority in iraq told the new yorker.

"in one day, they killed more than two thousand yazidi in sinjar, and the whole world says, 'save gaza, save gaza.'".

in syria, the group hoisted some of its victims severed heads on poles.

Acluetofindtheuser

Air strikes recently approved within the last half hour. However, no US troops will be on the ground.

If ISIS approaches the town of Erbil they will be bombed by drones.

I believe the base of mount Sinjar will be bombed by drones if ISIS approaches it. Thousands of fleeing residents are stuck on top.

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Trademark office rejects Watchtower's application for "JW.Org" logo

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#casenumber=85896124&casetype=serial_no&searchtype=statussearch.

even though watchtower's application has been rejected, they will be allowed to use the logo because it is for religious usage and will not be confused with commercial products.. the trademark office did note this:.

indeed, numerous other marks are registered reflecting the letters j and w:.

Acluetofindtheuser

The rejection by the trademark office is due to the similarity to the website called jwplayer.com. That company hosts videos, ads and streams for prospective customers.

Their web address ends in dot com but I assume they bought the rights to dot org as well. I looked up www.jwplayer.com and found an interesting point about the company's beginnings. The "About Us" section on their website says this at the top:

"We're the New York-based start up that PIONEERED video on the web."

The word pioneer is not in all capitals on their website but I thought it was funny and worth highlighting.

It looks like jwplayer.com started in 2005. I assume that's when they filed for the trademark name.

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GB member Anthony Morris mentions concerned JW letter at RC

by Acluetofindtheuser in

gb member anthony morris mentioned a letter that was sent to bethel by a concerned jw fearing the gt.

he mentioned it on the last sunday talk.

i always wondered if any letter sent to bethel ever reached gb eyes.

Acluetofindtheuser

This is one of the reasons why I don't write into bethel about striking realizations. I know they will dismiss it and consider it a waste of time. They may even mock my idea at an RC just like this guy. All 8 million witnesses were to laugh at that person's letter. If I was that person I would tell them what for.

Sending any letter to bethel can only get you into trouble locally. The only way to avoid that is to be anonymous.

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GB member Anthony Morris mentions concerned JW letter at RC

by Acluetofindtheuser in

gb member anthony morris mentioned a letter that was sent to bethel by a concerned jw fearing the gt.

he mentioned it on the last sunday talk.

i always wondered if any letter sent to bethel ever reached gb eyes.

Acluetofindtheuser

I know somebody who was at a RC that was tied into the Cowboy's stadium. They said Gerrit Losch was present at that international convention. I'll ask them if he mentioned the same letter at the concluding talk.

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GB member Anthony Morris mentions concerned JW letter at RC

by Acluetofindtheuser in

gb member anthony morris mentioned a letter that was sent to bethel by a concerned jw fearing the gt.

he mentioned it on the last sunday talk.

i always wondered if any letter sent to bethel ever reached gb eyes.

Acluetofindtheuser

Everyone from my area is supposed to have a 3 day supply of emergency provisions. The elders periodically ask if our address and cell phone numbers are still current for this reason.

I wonder if those in NY don't need an emergency supply for some reason. Do they have a special provider we don't know about?

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GB member Anthony Morris mentions concerned JW letter at RC

by Acluetofindtheuser in

gb member anthony morris mentioned a letter that was sent to bethel by a concerned jw fearing the gt.

he mentioned it on the last sunday talk.

i always wondered if any letter sent to bethel ever reached gb eyes.

Acluetofindtheuser

When he mentioned the letter it didn't seem very formal as an experience part. It was a short comment out of the blue which fit nicely with the theme about not being anxious.

The concerned letter seemed to be on his mind for some reason. Maybe he felt quilty for not heading the warning.