Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

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How does mankind know what happen before we were created??

by James Mixon in

for example, "and god said, let there be light: and there was light.

"a personal and vocal god said, "let there be light.

"so god saw the light, and thought it good, but how did the priestly scribe know that he did?

Acluetofindtheuser

I think some have said the account was an inspiration of Moses. He takes credit for the first 5 books of the bible.

The movie "Noah" that came out a while ago suggested that he was inspired to write about the creation story. I believe the WT believes this version because they had an article about an ancient Genesis record being passed on from faithful person to faithful person. It's been a while since I read it. I'm not sure if they think Noah got the whole story downloaded into his brain. WT probably thinks it's more like this: Fallen Adam tells Seth. Assuming the creator had a 1on1 with Adam before the fall => Seth tells Enoch => Enoch tells Lamech => Lamech tells Noah => Noah tells Shem => Shem tells Abraham => Abraham tells Issac/Jacob => Jacob tells Levi => Levi has multiple offspring and it is passed on to Moses.

I'm probably missing some in between people. Enoch may have been dead before Lamech. I can't remember.

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countdown to darkness

by waton in

if you want to experience the impact of an historic event, go and visit the next stark darkening, the eclipse in 2024. to be precise, ~1969 days away.

the countdown also will take you, like an anti-daily text, through wt history as a retro prophecy a day for a year.

ha ha.

Acluetofindtheuser

1966 - I guess this would be for Sunday 5/6 countdown day event.

1966 Fredrick Franz is quoted with saying the following statement.

"Does it mean that God's rest day began in 4026? It could have. The ... book does not say it did not ... You can accept it or reject it ... Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished ... by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could ... But we are not saying."

This was F. Franz's uncertainty clause about the end happening in 1975. He was the vise president of the WT at the time. He should have said that there will be no talks allowed by anyone supporting that the end would come in 1975.

Psalms 146:3 - Do not put your trust in princes or in humans, to whom no salvation belongs.

I think the GB and FDS believe they are princes. Then Psalms 146:3 applies to them.

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countdown to darkness

by waton in

if you want to experience the impact of an historic event, go and visit the next stark darkening, the eclipse in 2024. to be precise, ~1969 days away.

the countdown also will take you, like an anti-daily text, through wt history as a retro prophecy a day for a year.

ha ha.

Acluetofindtheuser

A stab in the dark.

That's what someone does when they think they are revealing hidden secrets from the bible through their own predictions. This happened with the August 21, 2017 Solar eclipse. Someone put up a website saying the American 2017 solar eclipse was a special sign from god. The author of the website said the eclipse passed through seven(?) different towns named Salem across the entire United States. Some of those towns were pretty tiny. I couldn't find some of them on maps that they claimed was there. That guy or gal got a crowd following but the prophetic fad just faded...into the dark.

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How did ancients know entire Earth was covered by water?

by Bad_Wolf in

entire world used to be covered by water.

i am not talking about the 'great flood', but on earth's formation itself.

the bible talks about earth being only water and then god making dry land appear.

Acluetofindtheuser

The earth would have been a highly pressurized gas ball in its early formative days. It would still have had a rocky surface like it is today. The water would not be in liquid form. It would be water vapor mixed in with many other gaseous elements. It was probably like Jupiter but at a way smaller scale.

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Jehovah Misses Me

by Phoebe in

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made the mistake of opening the front door today...i was expecting someone to service our central heating...oh dear, it was a sister instead :(.

she tells me jehovah misses me.

it seems god only sees me if i go to the meetings.

Acluetofindtheuser

A few PIMO friends of mine and myself believe the WT leadership has turned the Organization into Jehovah. They protect the image of the Organization at all costs because it is their God. They have transgressed into the realm of idol worship.

The JW woman should have said, "The Organization misses you." instead. That would have been more truthful.

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What is the strangest book or craziest book the JWs have ever printed?

by blownaway in

what do you think the crazies or strangest book they ever printed is?.

Acluetofindtheuser

Apparently an angel dictated the entire book to Mrs JG Smith and she wrote and published Seola. CT Russell encouraged his followers to buy it and read it.

I just want to point out that the claimed angelic dictation came from the Bible Student leadership in the foreword of "Angels and Women" only. The original author who wrote "Seola" said in her appendix section that it was only a fantasy. Also, the original author was a biblical scholar. Prior to the "Seola" publication in 1878 the author produced a 406 page book titled, "From Dawn to Sunrise - A Review, Historical and Philosophical of the Religious Ideas of Mankind". This book was published in 1876.

If the book was really inspired by an angel then why did they need to revise the original one? I thought it was a sin to tamper with the inspired record.

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God wipes out humans/wickedness in Noah's Flood but somehow wickedness returns

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.

10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.

13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.

Acluetofindtheuser

But what guarantees that there won't be an angel right after Satan who decides to go down to Paradise, mislead some people, and start the whole thing all over again?

The Matrix trilogy brought up this similar circular conundrum in their world. The Anomaly (Super human rebel leader) kept popping up in the Matrix Construct after every reset. The reset happened after all the rebel humans were destroyed by the machines on the final battle day. One machine for every one human in battle. Sounds like one angel for every bad human with Armageddon.

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144,000 is a literal number

by Sour Grapes in

jdubs are the only religion that believes that only 144,000 are going to heaven and of course they are all jdubs.

the number is found in the bible book of revelation.

i could never wrap my brain around the fact that the jdubs will openly tell you that everything else in the book revelation is not literal and is symbolic.

Acluetofindtheuser

I think they had a Messiah complex from the beginning of the religion's founding. They thought they were a special group set apart from the rest of Christendom. They assumed everything in the scriptures were fulfilled in them. They see that part about 12,000 x 12 in Revelation, they are automatically going to assume it means them.

They got into the habit of explaining everything in the scriptures as if it was directly from God. They assumed everything future meant them and every special angelic guy was Jesus. They just can't say we don't understand what this means right now and leave it unknown. They also simplify things too much and they assume everything is spiritual and there's no physical component to prophecy. He returned invisibly is one such example. The new heavens and new earth is symbolic is another.

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Why are there more sisters than brothers at the Kingdom Hauls?

by Sour Grapes in

i have always wondered why there are more females than males in all of the congregations that i have visited?

some of these females are in their 70's so maybe their husbands have died and women just live longer.

or could the reason be that years ago men were the breadwinners and women stayed home to raise the children thus they were home during the week when the jdubs came a knocking?

Acluetofindtheuser

Males are more inclined to be independent. An independent person is not welcome in JW land. Independent thinking is from the devil as they would say.

It appears women also seem more submissive than men. When males preach from the platform what other males need to do then an internal hard-wired war takes place in the congregant.

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Do You Think a Schism is in the Future?

by lepermessiah in

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i was thinking about this over the weekend.

just this week, there was the "consolidation" talk (in my wife's congregation) , the article about shunning that went viral, and the annual "show your love and obedience to jehovah by giving us your money" watchtower.

i know my wife said people are running scared about this consolidation even though it was sold as maximizing space to help other areas, build kh in other countries, etc...... the media and government has hit them hard in many countries, but they have gotten off easy in the usa, where the majority of the people and money reside.

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Samuel Herd vs Anthony Morris III. - A future schism

Did you notice in the last AM that they didn't let Herd mention any nu-lite? Herd mentioned at the beginning of his talk that no new info would be presented in his discourse. Maybe he holds a grudge about that. I wonder how much input he provides to the writing committee?