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  Are the Gospels real history or myth?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this lecture by dr. richard carrier will definitely give you something to think about (please note that the video is linked to start about half hour into the video which is when the lecture starts):.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illdt2xhzw0&feature=player_detailpage#t=1659.

  if the timing doesn't work just move the play head to the 27:00 mark.

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  braincleaned

  Real historical background is no guarantee of a true story.
  For exmple, "Mad Men" series is historically correct — but the story is still fiction.

  Same goes for the gospels.
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  "MadGiant, do you want to break it to Eugenie C. Scott, the person IN CHARGE of Science EDUCATION in the US, she's wrong about her understanding of a BASIC TERM used in science? A topic in which SHE WROTE A TEXTBOOK?" - Adam

  Argument from authority.
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  I agree MadGiant. I also agree with you, cofty.
  
  Facts are facts. They either turn out not being facts upon new understanding, or one fact replaces another fact.
  
  There — can't be simpler.
  There are facts, and interpretation of facts. Facts don't change; interpretations do.
  
  *Eugenie C. Scott was talking about "scientific facts'' that fit the first case of what I said above: facts changing upon new evidence and understanding.
  What she obvioulsy really meant is what was understood as a fact, then changed with new info/evidence.
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  braincleaned

  slimboyfat , we are on the same side — so please take this as kind advice. You obviously like words, as I do. But may I respectfully point out that you drown you own arguments in convoluted prose.

  It often results in unintended red herrings, like your comment before my last one.

  The hardest thing is to simplify a sentence to make it as clear as possible. I'm not talking about dumbing down, of course.
  An excellent example of such feat is the writing of Richard Dawkins — even better, Mark Twain.

  I say this with respect and care for good argumentation.
  
  Peace.
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  Why make it simple when we can make it complicated, huh?

  I think you actually got my point — but then decided to turn it into a philosophical debate. Suit yourself.

  I note that you do not address my main point being that either a "fact" changes due to new info that makes the previous understanding anything but a fact — or that one fact is replaced by another fact, as per my example of life/death.

  There is no need for arrogant prose and spin on what I presented as a very on point and simple argument.

  But hey, I'm in a good mood. I will pretend to concede you won the argument, just for the sake of peace.
  
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  "Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts."
  William Strunk, Jr.
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  Are the Gospels real history or myth?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this lecture by dr. richard carrier will definitely give you something to think about (please note that the video is linked to start about half hour into the video which is when the lecture starts):.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illdt2xhzw0&feature=player_detailpage#t=1659.

  if the timing doesn't work just move the play head to the 27:00 mark.

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  Myth.
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  braincleaned

  I will concede that a fact can change, like in the case of me living today. If I die, that fact changes.

  However, it could be argued that the fact did not change as much as it has been 'replaced'. The fact is that I am (or was) alive. The "new" replacing fact is that I am now dead. Not a changed fact, but two separate ones. Both based in reality.

  In Science, facts change in the sense that the understanding of a current fact can be altered by new information. My argument is that the previous 'fact' was no fact at all.
  
  I hope that makes my point clearer.

  Interesting discussion...
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  I disagree. it is a fact that you are alive now. It is not an interpretation.
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  braincleaned

  I just use words as they are defined to be. I do agree with Eugenie C. Scott's definition "scientific fact" in context — I was referring to the more general sense.
  
  I made my case — but it's really not that important to me. I did feel your meaning of fact sounded more like perception (as Eugenie C. Scott's does). I can live with the definition of fact as not obligatorily being part of reality... I'm not here to win the last word.
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  An opportunity for AAWA leaders

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it be nice to see you guys post on jwn now and again - keep this community up to speed with what you are doing maybe?

  all we have seen is the controversies - it would be great to know what else is going on.. as far as i know aawa leadership are not banned from jwn.. or should i not hold my breath?.

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  braincleaned

  Sounds reasonable to me. :)
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  New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  a fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.

  the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.

  the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.

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  braincleaned

  Semantics.
  
  A "fact" that changes is not a fact by definition, as far as it being a thing of reality.
  Reality is an absolute.
  Philosophy questions that reality based on perception and theoretical interpretation.

  However, reality is unmoved by this — only us humans are, furthermore crippled with bias conformation.
  So facts (interpretation of reality) changes indeed, IF we separate the two.
  The rest is semantics.
  
  
  I think MadGiant meant that when he stated that scientific facts don't change, if I have understood him well.