Posts by braincleaned

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time to reboot jwn??? attn. tech49, formerlongtime elder, others.

by nowwhat? in

first of all let me start by saying who am i to judge, but... i understand jwn has completely evolved over the years, but what i would like to see a forum that has current members and former jw's that still live by bible principles and respect the bible, but are not afraid to call out the watchtower on their practices and revised history.

i think quality posters as mentioned above, after venting their frustrations and experiences realize this website is taken over by athiests.

and punk kids-[ see similar post.

braincleaned

clarity, Miss Hitch too....

" Dogmatism isn't welcome here because most of us already had too much of it."
Nailed it Simon. Exactly.

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time to reboot jwn??? attn. tech49, formerlongtime elder, others.

by nowwhat? in

first of all let me start by saying who am i to judge, but... i understand jwn has completely evolved over the years, but what i would like to see a forum that has current members and former jw's that still live by bible principles and respect the bible, but are not afraid to call out the watchtower on their practices and revised history.

i think quality posters as mentioned above, after venting their frustrations and experiences realize this website is taken over by athiests.

and punk kids-[ see similar post.

braincleaned

// boy am i pissing off alot of people, sorry do'nt want to make enemies, . but in a nutshell the main thing that bothers me is when someone gripes about the watchtower etc. too many athiests chime in and say that's what you get for believing in a religion or God. and as i said orginally, instead of a haven, many are getting turned off from this website. this is my last response for this thread just want to let you know where i'm coming from//

I don't think you are pissing anyone off. I welcome your critique... but don't you think that atheism is at least one of the logical expectations we can have from exJWs?
That a mix of atheists and theists should be here is to be expected in my opinion.

Maybe there are more atheists here? Not sure...
In any case, if this is your last response, how can this help your fellow theists?
I would imagine that thru your OP you would keep vocal, no?

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When was the significance of the year 1919 first stated?

by jwfacts in

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when was it first introduced that the watchtower organisation was chosen in 1919?

i expect this was something first published under rutherford, as a way of making his leadership more important than that of russell, but would like some evidence to back that claim up.. .

braincleaned

Oohh... gotta get that book Blondie!!!

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When was the significance of the year 1919 first stated?

by jwfacts in

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when was it first introduced that the watchtower organisation was chosen in 1919?

i expect this was something first published under rutherford, as a way of making his leadership more important than that of russell, but would like some evidence to back that claim up.. .

braincleaned

Good question jwfacts... I will be needing this info for my book...

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this site sucks! its just a buncha athiest on soap boxes.

by crossquestions6995 in

jw
friends

this site is not a healthy forum for discussion or healing.

its an arena for jaded athiests to bash anything christian or god related.

yes, i know the jw's lied to us about god and the truth.

braincleaned

8 million strong and in unison serving the true God all the while speaking the pure language. No backbiting, arguing, debating, speculating, criticizing, etc. Nope, just love, and worship done with spirit and truth.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *CHOKE* HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good one.

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Now my marriage vow is directly connected to remaining a witness...

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i recently informed my wife of 25 years (the love of my life) that i just cannot go on any longer with this facade.

braincleaned

My wife divorced me on the unbiblical grounds that I left Jehovah. 2 kids... broke me.

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time to reboot jwn??? attn. tech49, formerlongtime elder, others.

by nowwhat? in

first of all let me start by saying who am i to judge, but... i understand jwn has completely evolved over the years, but what i would like to see a forum that has current members and former jw's that still live by bible principles and respect the bible, but are not afraid to call out the watchtower on their practices and revised history.

i think quality posters as mentioned above, after venting their frustrations and experiences realize this website is taken over by athiests.

and punk kids-[ see similar post.

braincleaned

Cofty, Cantleave, me... and others DO express ourselves. If it wasn't for Tec and some others, there would be no constructive debate.
But what I have noticed lately, is that some believers speak up just to rant that they don't speak up enough... odd, no?

Maybe our arguments are too powerful?

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time to reboot jwn??? attn. tech49, formerlongtime elder, others.

by nowwhat? in

first of all let me start by saying who am i to judge, but... i understand jwn has completely evolved over the years, but what i would like to see a forum that has current members and former jw's that still live by bible principles and respect the bible, but are not afraid to call out the watchtower on their practices and revised history.

i think quality posters as mentioned above, after venting their frustrations and experiences realize this website is taken over by athiests.

and punk kids-[ see similar post.

braincleaned

Like Cofty points out — anyone has higher moral standards than the god of Abraham.
EVERYONE knows genocide, jealousy, slavery, vengence, etc... is wrong.

But somehow, when I was a believer, I rationalized that God knew better.
One day, I was tired of finding excuses for that monster of human folklore.

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time to reboot jwn??? attn. tech49, formerlongtime elder, others.

by nowwhat? in

first of all let me start by saying who am i to judge, but... i understand jwn has completely evolved over the years, but what i would like to see a forum that has current members and former jw's that still live by bible principles and respect the bible, but are not afraid to call out the watchtower on their practices and revised history.

i think quality posters as mentioned above, after venting their frustrations and experiences realize this website is taken over by athiests.

and punk kids-[ see similar post.

braincleaned

"...this website is taken over by atheists."

I slowly turned into an atheist, while my bias was for Jehovah. And my bias was strong.
I don't really feel that this site is taken over by atheists — but then of course, this is partly my new bias talking, I will admit.

The thing is, in my opinion, that many who question the WTS, end up questioning further — even their faith.
So it is not surprising that many here actually do become atheist or agnostic.

In my case, I'm as passionate an atheist as I was a JW. My understanding changed, but not my character.
And I will admit that being amongst peers here, really warms my heart. I'm 54 btw...

So please try to understand that nothing stops believers to opine on this site.
The solution to your critique is to talk as loud as we atheists!

Looking forward to more of your posts.

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Dawkins-The Greatest Show on Earth

by KateWild in

as many may be aware.

i don't like the man.

but i have chosen to review the first chapter of his book.. chapter 1... only a theory?.

braincleaned

// Remember, I never explicitly refused to acknowledge Dawkins as a scientist.//

No, you are prudent in that you quote others to make your point.
Have the courage of your opinion.

By the way, you don't know me — just sayin'...