exactly qcmbr - I'm afraid you have to remain in your stated inability to comprehend. dismiss it cause it doesn't make sense. cue newchapter who also repeatedly states her inability to understand ...
soft+gentle
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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oh my - google chrome doesn't let me cut and paste whilst IE gives me blank posts
okay here is my gem from the link Yadda yadda provided in his opening post. I enjoyed this so much
http://www.godevidence.com/2012/04/5611/
"The problem is that the scientistic [not to be confused with “scientific”] belief that we can only know what science can tell us seems to be something that science cannot tell us. How can one set up a scientific experiment to demonstrate the truth of T1 [“T1” is Stenmark’s symbol for the premise, “The only kind of knowledge that we can have is scientific knowledge.”] What methods in, for instance, biology or physics are suitable for such a task? Well, hardly those methods that make it possible for scientists to discover and explain electrons, protons, genes, survival mechanisms and natural selection. Furthermore, it is not because the content of this belief is too small, too distant, or too far in the past for science to determine its truth-value (or probability). Rather it is that beliefs of this sort are not subject to scientific inquiry. We cannot come to know T1 by appeal to science alone. T1 is rather a view in the theory of knowledge and is, therefore, a piece of philosophy and not a piece of science. But if this is the case, then T1 is self-refuting. If T1 is true, then it is false. T1 falsifies itself."
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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Scientific reasons for belief in God v moral arguments against belief
by yadda yadda 2 ini have to admit that i do find it very very hard to believe there is no 'god' or higher intelligent power or cosmic force of some kind behind it all.
at the very last a non-personal einstein or spinoza version of god.
the articles here on this website sum up most of my reasons for belief: ww.godevidence.com/category/evidence.
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I agree with james Brown.
yadda yadda I also particularly agree with para 4 in your OP.
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Norwegian branch up for sale
by InquiryMan inthe norwegian branch, as well as the swedish one, are now up for sale and the scandinavian headquarters will be located at the present danish bethel.. http://www.oblad.no/nyheter/omradet-i-ytre-enebakk-legges-ut-for-salg-1.7365526.
this news even made it to the national radio news yesterday.. .
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some witnesses are saying that this is not downsizing as the small branches are moving to bigger branches for efficiency. But this is definitely not the case as bethelites are not being moved elswhere they are being sent home. the so called bigger branches are not growing bigger - they are staying the same and in some cases becoming smaller.
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The true, unsung hero of the Bible....
by Unlearn inmy undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
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gladiator
me accept simple answers? - never - lol
as to being anachronistic - I disagree once more. " the snake,adam and eve narrative" talks very much to current evolutionary biological/psychological investigations as that biblical account is very relevant to the patterns of reflexive thinking we call cognitve ability, that encapsulates desire, belief and deciding what action to take in a difficult situation, in its architecture.
btw where is cofty?
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The true, unsung hero of the Bible....
by Unlearn inmy undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
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back to the topic - the true and unsung hero fo the Bible - Satan
this may sound fanciful but I want to share nontheless as it may appeal to atheists and believers alike. the snake shape is very similar to the shape of the spinal cord and brain. This similarity, I doubt very much, would have been lost on the ancients, although I don't have any evidence to support my claims. So it is not unreasonable to suggest that the story about Adam and Eve and the snake contains admonitions against the dangers of formulating a division between the sort of cunning wisdom that resides in the type of intelligence (modern ideas would call this mind) that results in going to extremes and committing hubris (sticking to my original hypothesis here) as opposed to the sort of wisdom that enables one to live holistically. In this scenario the snake has cautious cunning plus the intelligence to persuade humans to oppose the prevailing order. (I guess then he could also be an unsung hero of those who fight for freedom but this understanding would have to be acknowledged as being different from the main thrust of the story and of the bible).
How would the ancients know about the relationship between brain and mind, if you are an atheist? Observation and experience definitely but also the wisdom that stems from what Sab has been explaining, perhaps what an atheist would term uncanny coincidence but which is probably mathematically sound.
what do you all think? should I start a separate topic? or has this subject been done to death?
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The true, unsung hero of the Bible....
by Unlearn inmy undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
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sab, just finished watching the video. i have met this young man briefly on one of my trips to Bethel. I did wonder what had become of him and I am so glad he is alive and well. His experience is wonderful.
working on repetition for emphasis NC
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The true, unsung hero of the Bible....
by Unlearn inmy undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
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tec right on - your post 9426 is exactly what I meant. Dawkins is pretty much a fundy in the way he characterises believers and he never wavers from this position in the God delusion. The creed of aggressive attack and the arguments with which he arms his followers include the art of misrepresenting the opponent to make them fit his radical agenda. Mind you, when I have watched his short videos or seen him debating on TV, he comes accross to me as genuinely sincere and not so fundamentlist. So perhaps he has taken on board what some of his critics have suggested.
The radicalism here may be part of the journey out of JWism and I respect this. But I would encourage atheists to step back from personal attacks and using the one cap fits all scenario to pick on those who themselves are making their own journey. Exploring and experimenting is part of rich world that confronts us.
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The true, unsung hero of the Bible....
by Unlearn inmy undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
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glad you can laugh about it NC - I'm practically choking