Posts by soft+gentle

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
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ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

well if you want to think you have proved 2 of my points wrong then that is up to you. In fact I agree with both you and qcmbr - what I don't agree with you on is that concord is possible whilst dissecting and discarding ideas.

edit: to comment on the theme of your thread Palm - I think what we can aim for is to understand each other as far as possible. Also like tec I am against three or four people piling up on one individual and continuing to do this repeatedly - this is my definition of bullying. If we avoid that and try our best to understand the other person's pov then we at least have a "hearty" discussion.

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

no game palm - you have clearly stated that you think that qcmbr's tactics would remove discord whilst qcmr has clearly indicated that we should all be willing to peer review one another and join in heartily when everyone takes a hammer to our cherished ideas.

I don't think joining in heartily makes for concord. what do you say?

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

welcome saintbertholdt and I so agree with your comment on page 5

Hi there Qcmbr,

Thank you for your post

You wrote: "True humility is the willingness to put your most cherished idea on the altar of peer review and dispassionately allow it to be dissected and examined and if, after weighing, it is found wanting to join in heartily as everyone takes a hammer to it."

Your statement reminds me of the concept of the 'Marketplace of Ideas'.

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

just to be clear palm I simply commented that Qcmbr was being ironic. Admitting this to my self helps me engage with his post more. I am not attacking qcmbr but trying to have a discussion with him and his post.

btw you seem to be aiming for something opposite to qcmbr and I am still trying to digest this. (edit: please see my next post)

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

yes, shelby, I am an atheist.

palm - I really don't understand how you can draw this conclusion below. Please explain

The fact that both S+G and Tec feel it only applies to the "other side" is interesting, though.

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

also, am I (and shelby) the only ones who see a lot of irony in Qcmbr's post, the one that his friends are praising so much. For friends to do this is okay from my pov but please when it happens in the other camp why are those friends described as followers?

Palm: I hope it is okay to raise this issue

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

lol at palm - I have now finished trying to bring besty's post back to get round what seems to me to have been a misunderstanding on his part.

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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

by palmtree67 in

jw
friends

ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

"there are good atheists and bad atheists.

there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

soft+gentle

besty this was my response to qcmbr (below) therefore the burden of proof isn't with me to provide an example of 'the same' universal being arising separately.

Me: qcmbr, please don't say never as you have done

qcmbr said: Isolated cultures never give rise to the same supposed universal beings simply due to statistical improbability and different starting ideas

Me: if you do then you need to supply proof. I don't think you can, simply because what you are suggesting is still being debated. So yes I agree with tactic 4 but I am applying it to your post. However I say this in the interest of engaging with and respecting your post rather than thinking of you as stupid or nuts and would like to think that you acknowledge this. (edit I don't expect you to be glad though)

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