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  The Ideas Thread - all are welcome!

  by cedars in

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  sorry it's been a while since i posted anything.

  i've kind of had my hands full of late.

  there are some things i want to say, but i am saving some of it for a more appropriate time.. i thought i would start a simple "ideas thread" as a thread on which we can, well, share our ideas!

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  soft+gentle

  where did I say it constitutes a criminal statment?
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  The Ideas Thread - all are welcome!

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry it's been a while since i posted anything.

  i've kind of had my hands full of late.

  there are some things i want to say, but i am saving some of it for a more appropriate time.. i thought i would start a simple "ideas thread" as a thread on which we can, well, share our ideas!

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  soft+gentle

  well, cedars, you have explained your motives very well and if this was desseminated on a large scale it would be viewed as criminal

  You'll forgive me if I don't lose too much sleep over how the Society implements its policies towards blocks of flats etc. Knowing what I know now, the preaching work that these people engage in is a pointless endeavor, since it only serves to promote the Watchtower Society and encourage people to enslave themselves and their families to its twisted teachings which are demonstrably false.
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  The Ideas Thread - all are welcome!

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry it's been a while since i posted anything.

  i've kind of had my hands full of late.

  there are some things i want to say, but i am saving some of it for a more appropriate time.. i thought i would start a simple "ideas thread" as a thread on which we can, well, share our ideas!

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  soft+gentle

  cedars

  I think people need to be aware that if they react with violence or extremes of hate to jehovah witnesses they are liable to suffer consequences - for example they could lose their council accommodation. The elder who was attacked and abused in the ministry could report the individual to his local council and this could eventually lead to the violent, abusive individual losing his flat and this would be true even if he was on meds or suffering behavioural difficulties.

  Regarding the newspaper article about apostates being mentally diseased - the newspapers were careful to quote the Watchtower directly plus a little bit about how a particular group of xjws were reacting - and there is nothing wrong with that imo. Abiblestudent, trying to get newpapers to say that Jehovahs witnesses are a dangerous cult is a different matter. Also extreme and abusive misrepresentations of watchtower articles, as on facebook, could be seen as inciteful and what's more these can be traced if the police or council was asked to investigate.

  I think that if you are going to discuss ideas about public awareness re JWs then these need to come with warnings about going too far.
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  The Ideas Thread - all are welcome!

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry it's been a while since i posted anything.

  i've kind of had my hands full of late.

  there are some things i want to say, but i am saving some of it for a more appropriate time.. i thought i would start a simple "ideas thread" as a thread on which we can, well, share our ideas!

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  soft+gentle

  an elder was threatened and attacked in the ministry this week in London. He was doing first call with an MS. The man who came to the door shouted abuse, pushed the elder, tore off his hat and threw it to the ground and snatched all his literature and threw that to the ground too. His shouting was so loud it attracted the attention of neighbours who formed a little group to watch. the Householder shouted that he knew the name and address of the PO and was going to pay him a visit.

  The elder was very shaken and quickly warned the PO and his family. No one in the congregation knows this guy and as far as they know he has never had a study although he said he knew the PO (former PO anyway) very well. The former PO has never met him.

  I'm wondering if he has been reading some of the recent publicity regarding hate speech.

  Also I understand why newspapers may be reluctant to publicise controversial stuff. Some members of the public are likely to react like this.

  edit: the elder is not going to report the incident to the police but I think he ought to. Mind you if he did make a report the police are likely to tell him not to enter blocks but always to use intercoms. I think witnesses, as a matter of course, ought to be told to use intercoms instead of going into blocks of flats and that the WTS ought to implement this policy. There are many vulnerable people living in these flats - elderly, disabled etc and it is these ones who are likely to be in during the morning. People are more likely to react angrily if they feel that witnesses are taking advantage of periods when blocks are made accessible for the postman, deliveries and tradesmen.
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  mankkeli

  soft+gentle you have PM

  sorry, unable to retrieve it at the moment - keep getting ar error message - will try later
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  soft+gentle

  uber sounds like you are frustrated with yourself
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  soft+gentle

  "What this thread is to address is the most commonly assumed purpose of living associated with atheism, but is rarely consciously understood: survival." HA. You just made a generalization about millions of people throughout the world. You think that since I don't believe in God I only care about survival? Give me a break. The subconscious is not concerned with life or it's meaning, that is a conscious thought (read some psychology).

  uber - as for your reply above it does not even make sense.
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  soft+gentle

  ubermensch is misrepresenting what you are saying in order to invalide your conclusion

  "Meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others," Incorrect. Contradictory statement. If I say that all triangles are NOT circle-ish but say that some ARE sort of circle-ish I would sound like an idiot. You can't say that meaning is an essential part of human psychology and then say that some people don't need meaning.
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  soft+gentle

  mankeli there is nothing wrong with this sentence and you are right

  Religion may have literally evolved physically because it supports clan efforts to make sacrifices for the group even when they may not recieve something in return

  myth for example does evolve physically and is a crucial component of religion.
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  soft+gentle

  excellent points mankkeli

  meaning is an essential part of my life and I also gain much satisfaction in studying how communites made and celebrated meaning as a group and individually. Music, art and spirituality have always been very important but of course to varying degrees on an individual level.

  Philosophy and the humanities discuss the why's of life rather than science. Theology does too.

  edit: having seen the contribution from our resident atheists here I can only say they are morons - don't listent o them.