thank you for continuing to raise the quality of board, barbara. i hope you keep coming by.
mox
barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.
another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.
i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.
thank you for continuing to raise the quality of board, barbara. i hope you keep coming by.
mox
from ajwrb site:.
this image appeared in the golden age of march 30, 1932, p. 409, and is very typical of similar pictures or watchtower cartoons of the era.
note the dead and pock marked babies below.
90 years old? well, cant argue with results, can you?
mox
question.
my mother told my husband that there is to be a 'special meeting' in october at the local sports arena (same place as dc's are held here) and that "only publishers are allowed to attend" that they will get "special cards" for admission from their local congregation and have to hand them in to get into the building.
i have no idea if this has anything to do with the "annual meeting" they always have (isn't that generally in october?
arg. i hate it when max says that.
mox
question.
my mother told my husband that there is to be a 'special meeting' in october at the local sports arena (same place as dc's are held here) and that "only publishers are allowed to attend" that they will get "special cards" for admission from their local congregation and have to hand them in to get into the building.
i have no idea if this has anything to do with the "annual meeting" they always have (isn't that generally in october?
belbab: thats brilliant. that would solve so many problems for them. its seems almost too much to believe. whats this hint from splane you refering to? whatd he say exactly?
mox
just thought id like to remind all the former pioneers that today would be the last day to get in your time for the year.
unless you were one of those annoying elite pioneers that got your time in early - i hated you folks.
actually i suspect that most of the former pioneers here didnt get their time in that often at all.
michael: didnt those nervous tummy feeling go away after a while? it got easier and easier every time!
in celebration of New Service Year's Eve, and also as a memento for all of days gone by, how bout i post my personal timesheet from my first ever auxiliary pioneer months. aug 1988. i still remember that long aug 31, putting in a 5 hour day to catch up. at that time, 5 hours seemed like forever, it would be yers later as a regular pioneer id learn to put in a 5 hour day or more without hardly noticing id even BEEN in service, hehe.
i also see from my records that Mrs Jones with the Last Days article placed is long overdue for an RV!
mox
i look back on the 1970s with a sense of loss and nostalgia.
i was a young man, just married, and so much in love with my beautiful wife.
i had just started my engineering career, and was debt free.
ive often thought about this question of going back in time to try and convince yourself. lets say that you can go back and talk to yourself but you cant indicate that you are from the future or that you are actually YOU. nothing to indicate that your visit is supernatural, you just have to try and reason with yourself on the facts.
would you listen?
i think its the rare individual that would be persuaded if approached during the period in their life when they were most faithful to the WT. sure, you THINK you'd listen. but you forget the mindset you once had i think, like a bad dream.
mox
just thought id like to remind all the former pioneers that today would be the last day to get in your time for the year.
unless you were one of those annoying elite pioneers that got your time in early - i hated you folks.
actually i suspect that most of the former pioneers here didnt get their time in that often at all.
just thought id like to remind all the former pioneers that today would be the last day to get in your time for the year. unless you were one of those annoying elite pioneers that got your time in early - i hated you folks. actually i suspect that most of the former pioneers here didnt get their time in that often at all. but still, those years when u squeaked it thru on aug 31 -- that was a pretty sweet feeling, no?
mox
has anyone on here ever come across the tiniest shred of evidence supporting this date for the fall of jerusalem.
i understand rolf furuli is about to but something out on this subject (see elihubooks.com), however even a table of contents has been a long time in coming from this site.
if no evidence exists what can he possibly be writing about?
i agree hillary. i was kinda showing how easy and realistic it would be for the WT to get out of the chronology business altogether. i for one wish they would.
mox
has anyone on here ever come across the tiniest shred of evidence supporting this date for the fall of jerusalem.
i understand rolf furuli is about to but something out on this subject (see elihubooks.com), however even a table of contents has been a long time in coming from this site.
if no evidence exists what can he possibly be writing about?
lol @ jdubla. subtle humour is lost on some. :)
mox
has anyone on here ever come across the tiniest shred of evidence supporting this date for the fall of jerusalem.
i understand rolf furuli is about to but something out on this subject (see elihubooks.com), however even a table of contents has been a long time in coming from this site.
if no evidence exists what can he possibly be writing about?
why not just stick to the tried and true arguments that the society have already presented:
*** w89 3/15 21-2 Insight That Jehovah Has Given ***cant argue with that, can you? the dates don't work in prophetic fulfillment? they're confusing? well then, ignore them. rock-solid reasoning. in fact, why argue about chronology at all. just give the whole thing up. because its all a murky, shaky, fragmentary and speculative science anyways. i hesitate to even use the word 'science' - it's more like a bunch of opinion.
Secular historians, relying on their interpretation of what are in some cases fragmentary tablets unearthed by archaeologists, have concluded that 464 B.C.E. was the first year of the kingship of Artaxerxes Longimanus and that 604 B.C.E. was the first year of the kingship of Nebuchadnezzar II. If that were true, the 20th year of Artaxerxes would begin in 445 B.C.E., and the date of Jerusalem?s desolation by the Babylonians (in Nebuchadnezzar?s 18th regnal year) would be 587 B.C.E. But if a Bible student uses those dates when calculating the fulfillment of prophecy, he will simply be confused.
*** kc 187 Appendix to Chapter 14 ***As we all know, there is only one date in the whole of secular chronology before christ that is reliable, 539. but according to this notable scholar (very recently i might add) even this date, being a part of neo-babylon chronology, is only a provisional 'circa' date. why not take this argument to its logical conclusion? there is no way to state authoritatively when ANYTHING happened in the bible with precision. anyone who thinks they can has been deluded by this pseudo-science of opinion and 'worldy wisdom.' we have plenty of evidence for 1914 in the indisputable physical facts we have all seen with our own eyes since that date in the 'last days' of this old system. we have far much more evidence now than russell did in his day. we no longer need a chronological crutch to support this solid biblical prophecy. in doing away with all secular chronology once and for all, we can finally stop worrying about all kinds of annoying thorny discrepancies and breathe easier, knowing that the bible always triumphs when in comes to conflict with human wisdom.
Evidently realizing such facts, Professor Edward F. Campbell, Jr., introduced a chart, which included Neo-Babylonian chronology, with the caution: ?It goes without saying that these lists are provisional. The more one studies the intricacies of the chronological problems in the ancient Near East, the less he is inclined to think of any presentation as final. For this reason, the term circa [about] could be used even more liberally than it is.??The Bible and the Ancient Near East (1965 ed.), p. 281.
mox