Posts by Moxy
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8Reasoning From The Scriptures
by Mister Biggs inthis is an interesting link.
i wonder if the society will sue?
lol.
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01/2002 KM announcement re: letter to elders
by lookin ini sent this to dateline a few days ago.... ********.
regarding the upcoming pedophile story on dateline a recent announcement has been made in the publication: our kingdom ministry.
this publication is distributed to all active publishers of jehovah's witnesses on a monthly basis.. the following statement is in the january 2002 km:.
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Moxy
no such announcement appears in the km01/02 for Canada - is this a USA-only announcement?
mox
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By popular demand--ALL YOUR BASE website
by LDH inok, i got email from some friends who want to see this wacky thing again.. so if you are new to the net, you may not have seen it.
it is worth your time.. * http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/video3.shtml.
click on 'local copy'.
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Moxy
aybabtu is SOOOO last year.
mox
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Matthew Makes Another Error
by JosephAlward inthe 1 chronicles author lists the descendents of david; some of these, in order, are jehoshaphat, jehoram, ahaziah, joash, amaziah, azariah, jotham, ahaz, hezekiah, manasseh (1 chronicles 3:10-13 niv).
the matthew author contradicts this genealogy; he leaves out the four consecutive descendents underlined above, and in their place puts uzziah, who he says is jehorams son.
(matthew 1:8-10 niv).
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Moxy
Bizarre to you, interesting to others.
ill grant you that. this is about as 'interesting' as the bible code guy.
im familiar with joes website. however, as you yourself have taken great pains to point out, his posts here are not precisely the same as the original essays. besides, having them posted here allows comment and elaboration from all on different (and hopefully reasoned) points of view.
mox
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Matthew Makes Another Error
by JosephAlward inthe 1 chronicles author lists the descendents of david; some of these, in order, are jehoshaphat, jehoram, ahaziah, joash, amaziah, azariah, jotham, ahaz, hezekiah, manasseh (1 chronicles 3:10-13 niv).
the matthew author contradicts this genealogy; he leaves out the four consecutive descendents underlined above, and in their place puts uzziah, who he says is jehorams son.
(matthew 1:8-10 niv).
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Moxy
hoo boy.
was away for awhile and just wandered back into this thread to see where it was going... i just hope pom's bizarre mysticism doesnt discourage joe from continuing to post interesting stuff now and again.
mox
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Matthew Makes Another Error
by JosephAlward inthe 1 chronicles author lists the descendents of david; some of these, in order, are jehoshaphat, jehoram, ahaziah, joash, amaziah, azariah, jotham, ahaz, hezekiah, manasseh (1 chronicles 3:10-13 niv).
the matthew author contradicts this genealogy; he leaves out the four consecutive descendents underlined above, and in their place puts uzziah, who he says is jehorams son.
(matthew 1:8-10 niv).
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Moxy
i think matthew was tweaking the names a bit to try and achieve this mystical 14-14-14 relationship which he still did not quite get successfully.
mox
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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey
by JosephAlward inthe story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.
in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.
mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.
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Moxy
ok, im done with this thread pom. you dont seem to understand the definitions of words as simple as 'no', 'not', 'neither', or 'either.'
mox
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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey
by JosephAlward inthe story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.
in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.
mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.
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Moxy
this is nuts.
im so confused by adversarial attitudes towards language experts. we wouldnt have ANY bible without the efforts of linguistic scholars. why do you feel you can just dismiss them whenever you disagree with them? since the existence of the modern bible hinges on linguistic scholarship, and since the endurance of the bible is an act of gods spirit according to 1 Pet 1:25, it follows that lingusitic scholars are being led by gods spirit. consider whether you would be fighting gods spirits by disagreeing with them before you are so quick to conclude bias. anyways, this is a topic im considering exploring separately. back to the one at hand.
your references to bible concordances are impressive. you seem to think that we can use a concordance to find a definition of a word different from the one most people use when translating the word in the bible. this is putting the cart before the horse. the meaning of the bible does not rely on concordances. quite the opposite. there are no ancient greek dictionaries that lexicographers used to compile their modern concordances. they can only rely on the way the words are USED in ancient literature and then compile definitions that cover the cases they find. this saves the time of looking up every use of word when it comes time to decide what it means in some given case, but essentially translators are still relying on nothing more than examples of use. its impossible by definition to take a concordance and use it to say that every instance of a word's use is inaccurate. the concordance was BASED on the words uses. in order to support your argument you have to show an EXAMPLE of the word being used in the way you suggest.
i am not schooled in ancient greek beyond the limited knowledge i have from WT publications, but i have learned several languages and it seems that taking a word apart into its composite particles, while useful, does not supercede the apparent meaning of the word as a whole. your very own concordance shows mee'te as 'neither,' yet you want to use the entries under 'mee' and 'te' seperately to show that its straightforward definition of mee'te is wrong, or at least incomplete. that seems very misleading. i know enough to know thats not how linguistics works. it also seems obvious that the 'te' particle merely carries the thought from a simple 'not' to a 'neither,' not from 'not' to 'not both.' im not even sure what you're claiming 'not both' means. if you were right about this, i dont see how we could ever understand ANYTHING in ancient literature, if the meanings were so elastic that a simple 'not' could mean 'not more than one.'
mox
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Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey
by JosephAlward inthe story about the instructions jesus allegedly gave to his disciples before they were to set out on their evangelizing journey illustrates the type of contradictions which are found in the gospel stories.
in their two accounts of this event, the authors of mark and matthew disagree about whether jesus wanted the disciples to carry a staff with them.
mark tells us jesus told the disciples to go forth with a staff:.
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Moxy
even given that the number of the noun is not specified, wouldnt one normally think that 'take no staves' means 'take zero staves' rather than 'take not more than one staff?' can you give an example of a greek sentence constructed like this that means 'no more than one' rather than 'zero?'
mox
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That Damn Nov. 22 '98 AWAKE!
by Dino incheck out the second entry under what was submitted for the un's approval.i hope this works!.
< http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm.
look at the second entry!!.
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Moxy
how ever did you find this? i cant find any links to this part of the site from anywhere else on the UN Human Rights site or anywhere else after a few searches.
i would like to know better what connection this has to the DPI. besides the phrase 'including various resources developed by governmental and non-governmental organizations' on the materials page, i cant tell where they got the information from. they dont need copyright since they havent reproduced anything. while im sure everyone believes this article to have been submitted to the DPI as part of the regular updates NGOs provide, i would like to see corroboration of that.
mox