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  are dating methods accurate??

  by master chief in

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  23 years ago

  questions questions im just wondering are modern day dating methods reliable i ask this because i was told there are different types of dating methods to test fossils etc for instance testing bones which using dating methods say 10 yrs ago are now classed unreliable i say this because i was told that historians dated human remains back to 20 million yrs i think and with a more modern technique it s now dated at only 5000 yrs i think so the question is can we trust todays modern dating methods or will they sometime in the near future be more accurate

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  what i meant, and i hope im explaining it right, was that given a particular atmospheric ratio of c14/c12 at a given temperature, a given type of creature will take in a steady ratio of c14/c12, closely matching that found in the environment (not exactly, but thats another story belonging to a discussion on paleoceanography) and since it is continually processed while alive, it remains the same during the creature's lifetime.

  your comment seemed to be saying (perhaps i misunderstood) that despite differences in c14/c12 ratio in the atmoshpere in different eras or due to nuclear testing, creatures had some kind of equilibrium that was independant of environmental variations. that was what i was commenting on. as near as i understand, the ratios are entirely dependant on the environmental ratio and temperature and this ratio does fluctuate, and does cause radiocarbon dates to be wrong, that is, until they are calibrated.

  now im getting a headache again...

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  When to expect CO visit?

  by ChakkaConned in

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  23 years ago

  my understanding is that when a co comes for a visit to a cong., the first day he reviews the pub records, etc.

  is there a certain day or day's during that week that he accompanies the elder's to specifically call on inactive ones?

  is there a set schedule or time that the co follows during his visits for this?

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  since the last few years, increased attention is given to this part of the visit (presumably because there is more need) so inactive visits could be done any time from wed-sat, generally in the afternoons. even sunday service lately, the CO has been scheduling such visits.

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  If you believe it, is it still a lie?

  by thinker in

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  23 years ago

  i know of an active jw who lies.

  the thing is, this person probably believes what they're saying is true.

  they are basically lying to themselves first, then repeating it to my wife and me.

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  lol jan, i *never* noticed that.

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  Conventions Money Canceled-Tri-City

  by messenger in

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  23 years ago

  http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/2002/0129/story4.html.

  hotels to help pay rent for coliseum.

  this story was published 1/29/2002.

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  from http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/2000/0709/story4jw.html
  

  For three consecutive weekends each year, about 17,400 Jehovah's Witnesses flock to the Tri-Cities Coliseum in Kennewick for a district convention...

  given an increase to 5 weekends, we would probably be talking around 30,000 attendance.

  anyways, isnt tri-city thats getting stiffed here, not the WT?

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  Genesis Chronology And Birthdays

  by hillary_step in

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  23 years ago

  a recent thread that touched on the chronology of the patriachs in the book of genesis triggered off a memory that i just had to uncover.

  how did we ever believe such stuff!.

  questions from readers the conclusion that the flood occurred 1,656 years after adams creation rests on the ages in the genealogical list in genesis chapter 5. the bible there says how old each man was when he became father to the next.

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  im gonna take a wild guess that this was written before or around '75 when the counting of even a few months was considered all important.

  how strange that they reason that god wouldnt have 'deceived' people by putting in dates that, although basically accurate, would mislead people who were trying to count up the years exactly to try and determine when armageddon would come, even though jesus specifically said we would not be able to do that.

  thats like mom saying not to swipe a cookie from the cookie jar while shes gone. but since we can reach the cookie jar by standing on a very tall chair we reason that she obviously meant for us to have the cookie because why else would she have left it 'within reach.' and the chair must be safe because thats the only way we could reach the cookie....

  sure, as a child i could make sense of that. but youre right H_S, how did that ever make sense to grown men?

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  If you believe it, is it still a lie?

  by thinker in

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  23 years ago

  i know of an active jw who lies.

  the thing is, this person probably believes what they're saying is true.

  they are basically lying to themselves first, then repeating it to my wife and me.

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  the following post is a lie

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  If you believe it, is it still a lie?

  by thinker in

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  23 years ago

  i know of an active jw who lies.

  the thing is, this person probably believes what they're saying is true.

  they are basically lying to themselves first, then repeating it to my wife and me.

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  the preceding post is the truth

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  are dating methods accurate??

  by master chief in

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  23 years ago

  questions questions im just wondering are modern day dating methods reliable i ask this because i was told there are different types of dating methods to test fossils etc for instance testing bones which using dating methods say 10 yrs ago are now classed unreliable i say this because i was told that historians dated human remains back to 20 million yrs i think and with a more modern technique it s now dated at only 5000 yrs i think so the question is can we trust todays modern dating methods or will they sometime in the near future be more accurate

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  But, what everyone on the Fuindy and YEC side seems to miss is that our bodies maintain a constant ratio of C14 to C12. So, if there is extra C14 hanging around, our bodies pass this out. If there is less C14, our bodies do not pass this out in order to maintain the constant ratios of C14 to C12.

  come again? news to me. i think you might be thinking of the constant rates of intake. but the different rates of c14 production in the past do affect c14 dating, do need to be accounted for, and are.

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  What do people/souls do in heaven?

  by David Gladden in

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  23 years ago

  i'm always hearing about people wanting to goto heaven... .

  1. what exactly are people/souls supposed to do in heaven?

  2. if you believe in heaven, why?.

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  maybe all the angel chicks werent putting out

  mox (apologetic)

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  are dating methods accurate??

  by master chief in

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  23 years ago

  questions questions im just wondering are modern day dating methods reliable i ask this because i was told there are different types of dating methods to test fossils etc for instance testing bones which using dating methods say 10 yrs ago are now classed unreliable i say this because i was told that historians dated human remains back to 20 million yrs i think and with a more modern technique it s now dated at only 5000 yrs i think so the question is can we trust todays modern dating methods or will they sometime in the near future be more accurate

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  Moxy 23 years ago

  re c14 dating, the principal objection creationists use is not contamination, but rates of c14 creation in the past. they contend that c14 dating assumes the rates to be near constant when they are in fact wildly variable. this is a much better objection, simply because the answer is too complex to state concisely and leaves lots of wiggle room for doubters. just thinking thru the debate gives me such a headache. ive spent so much time on this topic....

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