how could there NOT be multiple fulfillments? the statement is so vague it could be applied to anything from the decline of disco music to male erectile dysfunction.
mox
Posts by Moxy
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16Finally a WT prophecy fulfilled?
by Marilyn inso what does the scripture "the love of the greater number will cool off" mean if it's not the big falling away from the wts in the last few years?
btw i don't remember the scriptural context but i have sometimes wondered about it - even though i'm a devout non-believer.. marilyn
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Watching the Wheels
by DIM inmy wife and i were driving along last week, listening to the john lennon boxset.
they describe my situation perfectly right now.
people say i'm crazy doing what i'm doing.
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Moxy
i hear you. this felt like my theme song too the last year or so. i was definitely very much 'on the merry-go-round.' in fact i think i made a post almost word-for-word the same as yours earlier
mox
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1939 Booklet
by DakotaRed ini just received a box of old literature and in it is a booklet dated 1939 and written in a foreign language.
i have been unable to come up with what language or any translation of it from the translator sources i have, even though it looks norwegian to me.
it is titled "herredommet og freden.
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Moxy
norwegian: "government and peace" (1939)
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Suffering
by Realist inbrief question: if the sin committed by adam and eve is responsible for suffering how can one explain the fact that animals died long before that event?
or are animals not considered to suffer?
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Moxy
JW answer is that animals are meant to die naturally. (pardus' statement about suffereing essentially sums up the JW position but i dont know where he thinks it is in the bible.) that is why animals dont struggle against natural death the way humans do, fighting with all their energy to stave off the inevitable. humans were meant to live forever and animals werent. so the explanation goes.
of course the followup question to this that my JW childhood mind struggled with was how children in the new system would deal with the death of a pet. would we not have pets? not become emotionally attached to animals? or would we somehow be transformed into being immune to that pain, similar to the way resurrected ones are apparently immune to sexual or romantic desire?
mox
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Quotes web site re-tooled, what do you think?
by Beans inover the past two weeks brother quotes has been re-tooling the site to make it more user friendly!
http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/.
beans
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Moxy
lol quotes.. *i* recognize this css ( http://www.w3.org/Style/) of course you have to try it in mozilla to get the full effect with rounded corners and the transparencies. i love the advanced css but theres a tendency to pursue really cool & clean css at the expense of visual coherence. i might revisit your color scheme a bit.. anyways, im sure its a work-in-progress. you seem like the kind of person that will forever be trying stuff out and refining as you go.
mox
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Did Jesus have a BEGGINING?
by gumby inin a thread called" can any jw answer this" by jerome, alan f had stated that the term.
everlasting to everlasting applied only to the god of israel.
he could find no scripture in which this term applied to jesus.. i found some good info.
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Moxy
all religious figures are gradually deified by their followers. the person of jesus fits the model perfectly. the general order is: pauline epistles -> synpotic gospels -> john's gospel -> post-apostolic fathers -> nicea.
pauline epistles: jesus is holy from resurrection. his earthly life is of no significance whatsoever, no hint of pre-human existence. (note that not all the epistles traditionally attributed to paul are actually pauline.)
synoptic gospels: jesus is holy during life. can be futher divided between mark and the later matthew/luke. mark has jesus holy from baptism. pre-baptism life of no significance. matthew/luke has jesus holy from birth, no pre-human existence mentioned.
johns gospel: holy from 'the beginning.' deification hinted at but unclear.
post-apostolic: further refinement of deity teaching, but controversial.
nicea: codified as doctrine.
it fits so perfectly, that i had to literally smack myself in the head that i hadnt seen it during my time as a witness. but i am baffled that so many trinitarians in this day and age seem unable to perceive it. not all believers of the trinity doctrine are so blinded by faith. some admit that the teaching was gradual just as it appears, that the earliest writers did not understand it but that god revealed it gradually to the church as time went on. this at least makes some kind of consistent sense. i reserve my strongest bafflement for the mental capabalities of those who think the trinity is taught thruout the entire modern bible.
mox
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Earthquake!!
by Scully ineastern ontario & western quebec just experienced an early-morning earth tremor!!.
if it had been much stronger (it felt like it was maybe 2.5 - 3 on the richter scale), i would have been pretty scared!
i was just waking up and felt a rumbling like a train all around me, and the walls around me began to shake back and forth!!
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Moxy
a dose of perspective, in case armageddon is still bothering you:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/last_seven_days.html
mox
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A dilemma regarding the 144,000
by Five Gospels insome of the recent posts regarding the "anointed" got me thinking about some of the characters that i have met, or have known about, professing membership among this elite class of people.. one particular character i know of, even today espousing some, shall we say, interesting viewpoints on matters, had an even more interesting past.
it seems that some years ago (c. 1970's) a typically subdued but otherwise ordinary christian meeting was being closed with a prayer at a small kingdom hall in the north eastern usa when it was suddenly disrupted by this individual (even then professing to be anointed) assaulting his wife at the rear of the hall!
he was pretty much disfellowshiped on the spot for his indiscretion.
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Moxy
yes, this is a dilemma. but you dont seem to be familiar with the *actual* WT teaching on free will. they teach that god *can* foreknow anything he wishes to, but *chooses* not to. and his choosing not to is equivalent to free will. in order to make the theology work in wacky places like the DF'ed anointed you mention and other places, one has to invoke jehovahs ability to selectively foreknow certain things.
mox
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Did Jesus have a BEGGINING?
by gumby inin a thread called" can any jw answer this" by jerome, alan f had stated that the term.
everlasting to everlasting applied only to the god of israel.
he could find no scripture in which this term applied to jesus.. i found some good info.
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Moxy
alanF*ddlest*cks, i see you have again stooped to the use of cheap 'ad hominem' attacks by your use of the words 'blithely' and 'nonsense.' there is no reasoning with you when you clearly take such a vulgar approach to bible discussions. youre an idiot. oops, i shouldnt really use that word, but you started it! so im justified! i am completely in my right to dismiss the balance of your argument since you are obviously only interested in an orgy of name-calling and mud-slinging! your failure to acquiesce in the face of clear passages from gods own word can only be attributed to direct demonic influence. BLASPHEMY!
mox
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Did Jesus have a BEGGINING?
by gumby inin a thread called" can any jw answer this" by jerome, alan f had stated that the term.
everlasting to everlasting applied only to the god of israel.
he could find no scripture in which this term applied to jesus.. i found some good info.
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Moxy
So if Jesus is god based on that then so is the Devil.Or Bealzabubbbb.
WAIT! are you saying that god is actually ... is ... is the DEVIL???!?
plmkrzy: no, I'm not saying that all. I'm just saying if you--
BLASHEMY! DIE YOU DEVIL WORSHIPPER!! DIE!!
(fanatics are funny)
mox