getting a k5 article published *is* impressive. i note, however, that you are receiving little sympathy from the commenters. k5 posters are a little brighter than 'the children! wont someone PLEASE think of the children!'
mox
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10JW protection of murderer story posted on Kuro5hin
by mikepence ini am happy to announce that my story, "the murderer at your door" has been published on the web site kuro5hin (pronounced "corrosion").. kuro5hin is an important web site that is considered one of the top web news sites for the net savvy.
stories submitted to k5 are subject to a vote by the community.
each member of the community can vote the story up (+1) or down (-1).
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When Will District Conventions Be Abolished?
by AvailableLight inthe thread on cutting back the number of weekly meetings to two got me thinking:.
do you think the jw organization will continue to hold district conventions for very long?.
i wonder, how many people *really* feel upbuilt after attending a dc?
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those of you who havent been around the meetings much (or pay little attention when you are) may not know about the maxim that is often repeated in answer to this question (always mentioned in conjunction with the poor friday attendances) :
"The faithful and discreet slave has determined that in order to dispense all the spiritual food that we need to stay spiritually healthy, we need THREE days. You can be sure that if it was possible to fit everything we need into two days, they would make the convention two days long."
substitute the words "3 days" and "convention" for "5 days" and "meetings per week" and you have another common variant, often accompanied with the illustration of holding onto something with all five fingers.
pretty funny huh? they should consult me i guess, cuz im pretty sure i could condense the three days down to about 30 minutes without losing any spiritual food.
mox
$2.50 for a highball and a buck-and-a-half for a beer
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No ressurection?
by radar inlet us eat and drink for tomorrow we are to die!.
this is how the apostle paul responded to some who were saying in his day, there is no resurrection.
obviously from this reasoning, there was confusion amongst some as to what actually happens at death.. greek philosophy, which led some people, such as the epicureans, to lead a life of pleasure, was obviously apparent during that christian time period.
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ive thought the same thing radar. shed everything youve been taught and read pauls letters as though you were there and you get a very different sense of the early christians. paul and his brand of christians were definitely expecting christs return immediately and to be resurrected in heaven immediately. i dont know how we all could have believed differently, that they were prophesying about things to come thousands of years after. paul appears desperate to prove his faith to skeptics who found his resurrection 'proof' to be far from adequate. his best proof at the time (and still the best one today for apologists) is simply the fact that people were willing to die for their belief. besides being a very poor line of evidence, this speech to corinth reveals that there were very many christians who were *not* willing to die and were *not* all that convinced. if the writings of his critics were preserved as well as the bible we'd probably learn a lot about what it was really like there, and obviously have a much more balanced picture of the early christians. victors write the history.
mox
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Memorial attendance down?
by TweetieBird inlast night 3 congregations met at the assembly hall for the memorial.
there were just a little over 800 there which really surprised me.
in past years every congregation around here usually had at least 300 in attendance.
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Memorial attendance is, for reasons I don't understand, pretty much uncorrelated to all other JW statistics. Many, many countries have had a constant decline in publishers and service hours over the past ten years, but randomly changing memorial attendance (sometimes up, sometimes down) during the same period.
one reason is because it falls on a different day of the week each year, greatly affecting the numbers among the RVs and friends who are right on the edge in the 'will-attend-if-not-busy' category. thursday is a the big night for network TV so maybe this year will be down -- but you're right. you shouldnt draw conclusions from the vascillations in memorial attendance from year to year. you have to use a moving average over several years to smooth it out and get anything meaningful.
mox
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Bible Contradiction: Whoring and Adultery
by JosephAlward inthe bible writers contradict one another in the matter of adultery and whoring; some of them say that god forbids it, while others claim that god encouraged it in some cases.
here is the evidence: .
god forbids adultery and whoremongering.
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Moxy
wasnt hosea's wife supposed to be his own wife who had left him and had borne children with another man. god then instructs him to purchase her back to create a symbolic type of israel. all kinds of issues here with the bibles view of women--but im not sure about the contradiction with the law, seems a little too speculative.
i would say the same about moses command to take the girls alive. it raises all kinds of other questions about human rights and womens rights but just by itself, it doesnt indicate adultery at all. the concept of adultery in the culture of the time definitely did not extend to taking more than one wife. im not sure how you would think it does. (neither does it necessarilly indicate raping of children, another contention raised.)
wouldnt judah's exploits with his daughter-in-law have made a much better example, if contradictions regarding prostitution was the topic?
mox
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Who knows GB Member Gerrit Lösch?
by GermanXJW ini was told that gerrit losch was one of the nethinim before he became a gb member that means he was not of the annointed.
my source told me he felt he was annointed but did not partake from the emblems because of his wife who has the earthly hope.
but then he changed his mind and became a gb member.. is this true?
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it seems like the simplest thing in the world to make this shift. the concept of the FDS being 'represented' by the GB is already so absurd and yet no one seems to think much about it. why would it be so different to say that the FDS appoint some of the nethinim to take care of business on their behalf? find some new bible character who helped an israelite do something, write an article about him and the biblical precedent he sets, name a new class after him and voila. the GB are free to die off and leave the show running in good hands.
mox
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ENRONISM: (ala Enron) You have two cows.
You borrow 80% of the forward value of the two cows from your bank then buy another cow with 5% down and the rest financed by the seller on a note callable if your market cap goes below $20B at a rate 2 times prime.
You now sell three cows to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at a 2nd bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows.
The milk rights of six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more and this transaction process is upheld by your independent auditor. The Annual Report says the company owns nine cows, and that profits are 30%. In a press release, Enron announces itself as a major owner of cows will begin trading cows via the internet site COW (cows on web).
Upon inspection, both cows are found to be bulls, and the milk worthless. Further investigations show many prominant people have taken turns "milking the cow" and pronouncing the milk good. The nation becomes aware that it's leaders can't tell bull semen from milk.
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Losing my religion
by Dogpatch inpassing this on.... .
losing my religion.
it was 1994, my first year in college, well, my first year in four-year college, anyway.
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Moxy
im guessing this is the experience of an ex-jw who is finding catharsis thru telling her experience. she does not want to appear to be taking out bitterness towards her former religion or to appear to be exposing them, so the names are kept anonymous (it could almost as easily refer to the LDS.) she is writing about her life and her experiences, not about the WT. thats my guess anyways. i dont think theres any such group called crusaders like the one she describes.
mox
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Moxy
the constant delays in the airing of the dateline episode are proof positive that the WT is an accredited NGO of NBC and that both organization are secretly run by the illuminati, along with microsoft of course, but you all knew that already.
mox
Well, on the second thought, let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place.
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Cuban Sunken City Investigation Continues
by Nathan Natas infrom yahoo:.
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probe into cuba's possible 'sunken city' advances.
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i can think of two reasons you might read about the lost cuban 'city' in an upcoming Watching the World. one is the obvious implications of a global civilization-destroying flood and therefore verification of the Noachian flood account. (how did noah preach to the cubans anyways?) the other is the popular line of argumentation that if scientists reason that the symmetry and apparent design of these buildings indicates they are man-made rather than natural, then scientists are obviously big fat lying god-haters when they look at the far more complex design and symmetry of DNA and claim it was made by pure chance (inflammatory wording is deliberate )
mox