Posts by mankkeli

We can discover no purpose or providence for the human species. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves. Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful. They distract humans from present concerns, from self-actualization, and from rectifying social injustices... Critical intelligence, infused by a sense of human being, is the best method that humanity has for resolving problems.

Do you second this thought?

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Anyone being to Harvard here?

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has anyone being to harvard business school here ?, i am considering applying for their mba program next year.

share your experience if you had..

mankkeli

ShirleyW - Do you intend to stage an attack because of a grammatical error?, You input is useless, infact it holds no water, the title had an error and I just copied and pasted without paying attention to it. Perhaps, this is a forum, it is the sense that counts, not a critical zoom lens on grammar, I wonder why you should be unhealthily pre-occupied with those details, Pls drop the issue and contribute meaningfully if you have something significant to convey.

No offence, Peace

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Anyone being to Harvard here?

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has anyone being to harvard business school here ?, i am considering applying for their mba program next year.

share your experience if you had..

mankkeli

Shirley W and designs - That was a mistake!, be objective not subjective.

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Anyone being to Harvard here?

by mankkeli in

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has anyone being to harvard business school here ?, i am considering applying for their mba program next year.

share your experience if you had..

mankkeli

Has anyone being to Harvard Business School here ?, I am considering applying for their MBA program next year. Share your experience if you had.

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Is it possible to completely forget the JW experience.

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i am wondering if it is possible to completely forget our jw experience after a long time, and live life as if we have never been one.

no memories, no bitterness, no meeting up with ex-members, nothing connected to the jws in our feelings.. is this ever possible, could it ever happen, and how long possibly..

mankkeli

I am wondering if it is possible to completely forget our JW experience after a long time, and live life as if we have never been one. No memories, no bitterness, no meeting up with ex-members, nothing connected to the JWs in our feelings.

Is this ever possible, could it ever happen, and how long possibly.

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The JW experience, God and Mental Issues

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continous thought about the existense of god, the creator deity and the source of the supernatural can be very confusing, and if not properly checked and put under control, it can lead to mental issues.

coming along with this experience is also the jw sophistications.. from all dimensions, the jw experience has been proven to be a terrible one, the more i think of it, the more horrible it feels inward, some may wish to reverse time and live differently without the jw acquiantance while others may feel the experience had its own benefit despite enormous odds, it might have given them the opportunity to see the world from a different perspective while for some it was a complete waste of time.. those who finally discovered the deceits of the organisation and its destructive machinations but still remained in like myself are finding everyday life difficult, the thought of being abandoned and shunned by 9 family members is terrifying.

attending all the meetings and not finding joy in them anymore is not just a waste of time but an abuse of the human mind.

mankkeli

Continous thought about the existense of God, the creator deity and the source of the supernatural can be very confusing, and if not properly checked and put under control, It can lead to mental issues. Coming along with this experience is also the JW sophistications.

From all dimensions, The JW experience has been proven to be a terrible one, the more I think of it, the more horrible it feels inward, some may wish to reverse time and live differently without the JW acquiantance while others may feel the experience had its own benefit despite enormous odds, It might have given them the opportunity to see the world from a different perspective while for some it was a complete waste of time.

Those who finally discovered the deceits of the organisation and its destructive machinations but still remained in like myself are finding everyday life difficult, The thought of being abandoned and shunned by 9 family members is terrifying. Attending all the meetings and not finding joy in them anymore is not just a waste of time but an abuse of the human mind. But the JWs don't care.

A workmate asked me today why was I speaking to myself all alone, I was uncounscious of it, but it just came naturally, the exit process of leaving the organisation is troubling emotionally. No one arround you sees your point and all your reasons are invalid. You just have to pretend everything is allright when the JWs are arround. You feel completely disconnected from the people, but you can't express your feelings. They feel their organisation is Noah's ark and it represents the only vessel for survival and they are heavily wrapped up in this illussion, any contending opinion is a threat and must be cast away.

Please tell me how it went while you were planning your exit, which tools have proved productive. Do you have the urge to always express opinions contrary to the organisations'?, how does it feel to pretend ?.

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"Who created the intelligent creator?"

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did the complexity of life arise spontaneously, or did it require a creator?christians believe that a creator is essential.

scientists believe that the idea of a "creator" is pure mythology, and that the complexity arose through natural processes like evolution.

you can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic.

mankkeli

Did the complexity of life arise spontaneously, or did it require a creator?

Christians believe that a creator is essential. Scientists believe that the idea of a "creator" is pure mythology, and that the complexity arose through natural processes like evolution. Who is right?

You can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic. Here are the two options:

The complexity of life and the universe did arise completely spontaneously and without any intelligence. Nature created all the complexity we see today.
An intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it.

The advantage of the first option is that it is self-contained. The complexity arose spontaneously. No other explanation is required.

The problem with the second option is that it immediately creates an impossibility. If complexity cannot arise without intelligence, then we immediately must ask, "Who created the intelligent creator?" The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence. Therefore, God is impossible.

In other words, by applying logic, we can prove that God is imaginary.

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God help those who help themselves

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god help those who help themselves - that statement sounds as if god is imaginary, ever thought of it?.

mankkeli

God help those who help themselves - That statement sounds as if God is imaginary, Ever thought of it?

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JW and Sham Honesty Story

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the jws take pride in their honesty, for many years, this has been a strong marketing strategy for the purity of their religious dogma.

you may be familiar with many stories of their members retruning found wallet and so on, but here is an example found from the 2010 watchtower, march 15. .

"emilio, an italian witness who works as a driver for a public transport company, found a wallet containing 470 euros ($680, u.s.).

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The JWs take pride in their honesty, For many years, this has been a strong marketing strategy for the purity of their religious dogma. You may be familiar with many stories of their members retruning found wallet and so on, But here is an example found from the 2010 Watchtower, March 15.

"Emilio, an Italian Witness who works as a driver for a public transport company, found a wallet containing 470 euros ($680, U.S.). To the surprise of his colleagues, he handed the wallet to his supervisor, who later gave the wallet to the person who had lost it. Some of Emilio’s colleagues were so impressed by his conduct that they became interested in the Bible and started to study. As a result, seven people from two families have accepted the truth. Yes, behaving honestly from a pure heart really can move others to praise God.—Titus 2:10."

Do you think this experience is universal in all JWs cases?, and does it justify the trustworthiness of the JWs as a whole.