Dungbeetle - That is one of my favorite books - you can purchase it at www.freeminds.org - although it appears you found an online copy.
Posts by MrMoe
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7Help please!
by uncle_onion ini need help in locating a list that deatils the things that that the wts have said and that have been proven false ie pyramids etc.it needs to have the watchtower quotes on it as well.
has anyone got a link that they could post as i need it for a letter that i am writing to a relative.. uo
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What should be on a JW.com T-Shirt?
by TR inhere's some ideas:.
i lost my religion at jw.com!.
jw.com- cult busters!.
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MrMoe
I LOVE IT!!! Simon - you outta do T-Shirts - I'd buy one and maybe it would be a way for you to pick up some extra cash and compensate you for all of your time with this crazy board.
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The Watchtower's Official Response to the UN Scand
by Kent inhere is the official response from the watchtower to the un scandal.
paul gillies did send this letter to the guardian:.
http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?nocache=1&dato=20011023&kategori=news&lopenr=110230001&ref=ar.
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MrMoe
Thanks Kent! More garbage! Here is mrore I copied and pasted:
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HELP ENGLAND'S ARMENIAN COMMUNITY STOP THE EXCLUSION OF THE GENOCIDE FROM HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY
An action alert circulated by the Committee for the Recognition of the Armenian Genocide
[email protected]
London, England (12/13/2000)
Current Status
England's Armenian community needs your help.January 27th has been set aside by the British government as Britain's first Holocaust Memorial Day.
The official purpose of this commemoration is to "promote education and research about the Holocaust and other genocide... to make sure that the lessons of such events are fully learnt."
As a matter of policy, however, our Government has chosen to exclude any mention of the 1.5 million men, women and children killed in the Armenian Genocide.
The reasons cited by the British Government for not including the Armenian Genocide were that its mention would somehow detract from the "contemporary relevance" of the commemoration and risk diluting its message by including "too much history."
Last Updated: 1/30/01
What You Can Do
Contact the Holocaust Memorial Day organizers, members of the Steering Committee, and others involved in the planning of this commemoration.A sample letter that you can "cut and paste" is provided below, though it would be more appropriate and have more impact if you write your own letter. If you prefer to communicate by telephone, a sample phone script is provided.
(Send a note to [email protected] to tell us what actions you have taken and to inform us of any responses that you
have received.)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
List of Organizations to Contact
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1) The official website for UK's Holocaust Memorial Day is: www.holocaustmemorialday.gov.uk
Please visit this site and send a letter to the organizers of this commemoration.
2) Contact the official government departments involved in this issue:
(there are numerous other organizations listed)
2) Contact the following non-governmental organizations involved
in this issue:(there are numerous other organizations listed before the JW's)
-- Jehovah's Witnesses
Public Affairs Office
Watch Tower House
The Ridgeway
London NW7 1RN
Tel: 020 8906 2211
Fax: 020 8371 0051
E-mail: [email protected]
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The Watchtower's Official Response to the UN Scand
by Kent inhere is the official response from the watchtower to the un scandal.
paul gillies did send this letter to the guardian:.
http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?nocache=1&dato=20011023&kategori=news&lopenr=110230001&ref=ar.
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MrMoe
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Here is the official response from the Watchtower to the UN Scandal. Paul Gillies did send this letter to The Guardian:
To: letters
From: Paul Gillies
Subject: Jehovah's Witnesses and the United Nations
Dear Sir,
In response to two articles by Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent for The Guardian, I should be grateful to have the attached letter published.
sincerely,
Paul Gillies
Press Officer for Jehovah's Witnesses in BritainOctober 22, 2001
Letters Editor
The Guardian
e-mail: [email protected]Dear Sir,
Stephen Bates' articles in The Guardian of October 8 and 15 substantially misrepresents the background to Jehovah’s Witnesses registration with the United Nations and contains a number of fac-tual errors.
In 1991 one of our legal corporations registered with the United Nations as a NGO (non-governmental organization) for the sole purpose of getting access to the extensive library of the United Nations. This enabled a writer who received an identification card, to enter their library for research purposes and to obtain information that has been used in writing articles in our journals about the United Nations. There was nothing secret about it.
At the time of the initial application no signature was required on the form. Years later, unbe-known to the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the United Nations published “Criteria for As-sociation”, stipulating that affiliated NGO’s are required to support the goals of the United Nations.
After learning of the situation, our membership as NGO was withdrawn and the ID card of the writer was returned.Sincerely,
Paul Gillies
Press Officer for Jehovah’s Witnesses in BritainP.S. Please do not publish my e-mail address.
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I seriously seriously SERIOUSLY doubt that the WT became part of the UN "for the sole purpose of getting access to the extensive library of the United Nations." What a load of horse manure! This is why they went from hating the government to promoting the UN in their literature? Come on - give me more credit that that! It's the LEGAL department for heaven's sake! If the LEGAL department was not aware - then they need a NEW LEGAL department because this one is incompetent! And of course, JW's everywhere will beleive this hogwash. Lie's make bad situations so easy to get out of, don't they?
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Ultimate JW Moron...or is that an oxymoron??
by kevin221 inthings that make you go hmmm???.
i guess it's a good thing my trip to greece has been postponed.. as i suspected jons' father is disputing his will.
i'm not surprised, just irritated that i have to deal with this non person for one more day than neccesary.
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MrMoe
Oh Kevin, I am so sorry honey. Right now is a time to grieve and not worry about loosing your home because some greedy cretin can’t stop and think that his son just passed away. Instead the ass is worried about material stuff. I am so sorry Kevin, I really am.
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You Know's Words WatchTower Style!! FUN!
by MrMoe ini took the liberty of paraphrasing you knows words.
please note that i did not add any words to the below statement.
the following is taken exactly from you knows comments only watchtower style!!!!!.
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MrMoe
I took the liberty of paraphrasing You Know’s words. Please note that I did not add any words to the below statement. The following is taken exactly from You Know’s comments – only Watchtower Style!!!!!
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“Several posters have asked what I thought of the revelations about the WT being associated with the UN as an NGO so I thought I might make a brief comment on it. It seems for the most part that the whole affair is a tempest in a teapot. I say this … because it is not widely known by the majority of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
“I do anticipate a major shaking out”
“As for what may have motivated the brothers at the Watchtower get involved with the UN in the first place as an officially recognized Non-Governmental Organization, it seems to me that the Society is suffering from the bane of all civilization; namely, too many lawyers. Ironically, by trying to protect the Society’s interests,” “they have inadvertently placed a stumbling block before their own brothers. Obviously they have recognized the inadvisability of being connected with the UN, which is why they have evidently withdrawn from association. It may be that few Witnesses will ever know, but, of course, Jehovah knows.”
“Interestingly, after Moses had faithfully led God’s” “people for many years,” “Moses indiscreetly took credit for providing water to the Israelite camp.”
“Moses symbolizes the anointed ones of the Christian era.” “…during the time of Christ’s arrival.” "...it should not be surprising to that,” “the faithful slave might similarly bring themselves under God’s rebuke by their indiscretion.”
“Interesting too, is the prophecy of the king of the North and South, where the king of the North is said to draw some into apostasy by smooth words. As it stands, there is a major readjustment of that prophecy in order. Until that occurs though it appears that the king of the North will continue to mislead some among Jehovah’s covenanted people by means of his smoothness until the foretold time of the end.”
So without question the Society is being steered into some rough water. There may well be some of the Devil’s agents placed in high places who are trying to subtly sabotage the Society from within. I expect the worst.
“So, my faith is not shaken by stuff like this. It appears that Jehovah is about to shake things up real good. / You Know”
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I LOVE this part:
"...it should not be surprising to that,” “the faithful slave might similarly bring themselves under God’s rebuke by their indiscretion.”
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Ignorant Elder Comments
by El Kabong ini don't know if this was discussed here before, but, what is the most ignorant comment you ever heard an elder say.
i once had an elder say to me that my brother, who was at the time fighting in vietnam will be destroyed and killed over in 'nam because he did not accept "jehovah"!!!!
i promptly told him to go "f" himself.
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MrMoe
So sorry dungie! What an azz! And these people sit and judge you and deem wether you are bird food or not at your next local elders meeting! What a crock!
One of my best friends had one to many one night to drink and ended up smoking a cigarette. An elder in her JC meeting told her they could all tell she was repentant. She was dismissed and came back to hear the verdict "DFing due to unrepantance!" Huh?
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Hey baby, what's your sign?
by Bridgette inokay, it's a hobbie of mine: astrology and people profiling.
now, i have a hypothesis i want to gather correlational data on.
disclaimer: it's only for fun, nathan natas, larc, alanf--all you logical thinkers out there!
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MrMoe
Funny GuessWho! Interesting how we are never willing to admit our own faults.
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Hey baby, what's your sign?
by Bridgette inokay, it's a hobbie of mine: astrology and people profiling.
now, i have a hypothesis i want to gather correlational data on.
disclaimer: it's only for fun, nathan natas, larc, alanf--all you logical thinkers out there!
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MrMoe
Well - I am an Aquarius born under a Pisces moon – which makes for an odd combo. Aquarius usually come across as cold-hearted, but that Pisces tender side in me comes out quite often.
I agree that various personalities are more likely to leave due to independent thinking or bad temper, but each sign as a weakpoint when it comes to being a potential ex-JW. So, I will play the devil's advocate and say I don't quite agree with that theory. Tender hearted people can leave the JW's just as easily due to hurt feelings (you know - stumbling.)
Aquarius (Independent, logical, humanitarian, a bit "weird”, hard to understand, gets along with most people, impatient)
Taurus (Very Stubborn and occasional bad temper)
Scorpio (Independent, stubborn, bad temper, very sexual, great in bed)
Gemini (split personality, fun-loving, tends to not take matters too seriously, can have mean streak and tender side)
Leo (Hard headed, argumentative, temper can flair although bark is worse than bite, likes to be noticed and admired, often attractive)
Sagittarius (party hardy, friendly and sexual)
Pieces (passionate, tender hearted)
Aries (Independent, cheerful, passionate and very stubborn)
Cancer (sultry, occasional moodiness)
Virgo (Good friends unless they are crossed, honest, enjoys nice things, non-conventional, trend setter)
Capricorn (abides by rules, high-achiever, good with money, good at politics)
Libra (don’t know a whole lot about – but there is this really great song…)
These are the only ones I can remember, although I am sure I’m missing a few. And, it just so happens that I do see some correlation with astrological signs and personalities, although anybody with any of these traits is likely to leave the JW’s, just maybe some more than others?
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What flavor are you? Test Du Jour
by Esmeralda inokay...a little fun on a friday night.... : http://www.emode.com/emode/tests/flavor.jsp.
mmm ... mocha!
strong and rich but not too sweet you're the flavor of late nights and early mornings.
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MrMoe
Xena - I was sorta hoping you and I would score the same on this one since we were the only ladies that scored as "VENUS" on the love god/goddess test. (I am so proud of that one!!)
Well, anyhow, I got:
Mmm ... dark chocolate! Rich and luxurious, you're the flavor of pure decadence. (In fact, we think we feel our hips getting bigger just thinking about you.) Utterly indulgent and as smooth as silk, you're impossible to deny. Some might even call you addictive — and, truth be told, for those who love you, it's usually a life-long craving. Poor saps. It's not your fault you're so irresistible. But you're happy to let people worship at your altar — as long as they're willing to wrap you up in gold foil (24-karat, mind you), you're delighted to be adored. Sumptuous and intoxicating, you're a truly tasty treat.