this is in response to jim tx's comment on another thread.
the wtbts claims that the organizers of events such as a congregation picnic or a party are responsible for what the attendees do after the event has ended.
example: if several people meet and engage in 'fornication' afterwards, the organizer is culpable.
I agree, how is it possible for a host to be responsible for what other do AFTER leaving an event? The exceptions being where alcohol or drugs were partaken in and causing a longer lasting effect on the attendees. It never made sense that WTBTS could have very large gatherings and be absolved of responsibility of the attendees, yet they held other hosts responsible for what happened after their events. Double standard.
Blondie-Thanks for the references!
this is in response to jim tx's comment on another thread.
the wtbts claims that the organizers of events such as a congregation picnic or a party are responsible for what the attendees do after the event has ended.
example: if several people meet and engage in 'fornication' afterwards, the organizer is culpable.
There was a Watchtower article which talked about large weddings, which wasn't a good thing to do. You were supposed to have a 'wedding director' to make sure that no one over imbibed, that the music wasn't too loud and so forth. There were articles in the 1980's that discussed how JW's shouldn't have costume parties as it encouraged people to behave licensentiously.
As Jim stated, it was often brought out that large gatherings were verbotten, as you couldn't guarantee what people were doing during and after. Look at all the JW illustrations that feature gatherings, only a small few are there, the women dressed in dresses, the guys in dress slacks and someone seems to always be playing a guitar...
Sorry, I just realized that I posted this thread under the wrong topic, sorry!
this is in response to jim tx's comment on another thread.
the wtbts claims that the organizers of events such as a congregation picnic or a party are responsible for what the attendees do after the event has ended.
example: if several people meet and engage in 'fornication' afterwards, the organizer is culpable.
This is in response to Jim TX's comment on another thread. The WTBTS claims that the organizers of events such as a congregation picnic or a party are responsible for what the attendees do AFTER the event has ended. Example: If several people meet and engage in 'fornication' afterwards, the organizer is culpable. Does the WTBTS hold themselves responsible for what JW's do after a District Convention? I've seen some who party hardy while at the lodgings, getting totally wasted.
Should the WTBTS hold large assemblies? Can they be SURE no one is engaged in heavy petting or fornication after the sessions? Could some come together and imbibe in alcohol or illicit drug use? Are they sure that all attendees are engaged in WHOLESOME activity after the sessions? Should the WTBTS be reproved or disfellowshipped for not obeying themselves?
so, the two local congregations were planning to hold their memorial together at 7:30 at the local community center, but they had to make a last-minute change to their own hall, and i'm pretty sure it was because of me.. let me explain.... at work on monday afternoon, a co-worker returned from her lunchbreak and showed me the memorial invitation that was waiitng in her door when she went home for lunch.
i noticed the sticker on the back indicated the memorial was being held, not at the local hall, but at the community center.
from a past (non-jw) event i attended there, i knew they didn't allow alcohol (unless you pay for security guards), so i wrote to the center's coordinator:.
How many times has the WTBTS told people to 'count the cost', giving the example of someone wanting to build something and coming up short in the middle of it all and look like a fool when they couldn't finish what they started? This is an example of the local elders NOT checking everything out and getting caught. If they had checked everything out, and knew about the alcohol ban, they then exempted themselves from the ban's application.
The other church uses fake wine, and remain in compliance, the building managers could not overlook the fact that the ban needs to be enforced fairly. Perhaps the designated security for the building couldn't be on hand because of previous engagements.
i'll explain in a few hours when i can get my emotions under control..
Joliette-I hope you are feeling better today.
after spending a month in cold,rainy, snowy conditions, and using up 100's of gallons of fuel in service.
jehovah certainly blessed our efforts!!.
we must have had zero invitees up from zero the year before!!!
There were 14 less this year than last year. Many of the people I've seen in past years were not there either. There were quite a few empty seats. I did my familial duty for the year and went, everyone was nice to me.
or more like a thunking sound really, which set our little dog into a fit of barking.
i crawled out from behind the fridge where i was doing a repair on the waterline for the icemaker, so i could go see what all the commotion was about.
i fugured it was going to be my neighbor returning my ladder but instead it was jw's handing out memorial invites.. the woman and the young man (her 20 something son) were people i had known but hadn't seen since we faded 4+ years ago.
exwhyze-How wonderful that your son is cancer free...and that he has that angel of a wife with him. He is a very lucky man and you are a very lucky father-in-law and you know it, which is wonderful too! The best of health and happiness to both of them.
Your content and happy face must be a shocker to the 'happiest people' on earth. I'm glad you were able to explain yourself...bravo!
we have been researching our ancestry and so far on my father's side we have located the family land in wales in a little village called machynileth just off the coast of cardigan bay and our search dates to 1749. someday my son and i will visit our family-tree homesteads in europe.. legends develop in anyone's family and one of the curious legends was of an american native tribe called the mantan who lived near the ohio valley and wisconsin and later moved east to the dakotas.
what was interesting about the story of these peoples is that they were blue-eyed and some green-eyed with lighter skin and it was thought early on by anthropologists that some of their words were welsh.
it turns out they were not descendents of welsh explorers but they may have been the result of earlier encounters with europeans.
designs-Just a thought, there is a fairly large Welsh presence in the Delaware River area due to the mining operations. Some of the old timers still speak Welsh and crossed the Atlantic as infants, some are first generation Welsh.
The Slate Belt area of Pennsylvania, located on/near the Delaware River, has an abundance of Welsh, Cornish and Italian people, the worked in the slate quarries. The Slate Belt area is made up of Bangor (named for Bangor, Wales), Pen Argyl, and Roseto. The Slate Belt Heritage Center has a "Welsh Room" and Bangor still celebrates Welsh Days, and their are Welsh churches in the area.
we have been researching our ancestry and so far on my father's side we have located the family land in wales in a little village called machynileth just off the coast of cardigan bay and our search dates to 1749. someday my son and i will visit our family-tree homesteads in europe.. legends develop in anyone's family and one of the curious legends was of an american native tribe called the mantan who lived near the ohio valley and wisconsin and later moved east to the dakotas.
what was interesting about the story of these peoples is that they were blue-eyed and some green-eyed with lighter skin and it was thought early on by anthropologists that some of their words were welsh.
it turns out they were not descendents of welsh explorers but they may have been the result of earlier encounters with europeans.
designs-The Lenape are also known as the Delaware Indians, which is also the name of a state and a river. The Matawans were a sub-tribe in the group of Native Americans that shared a common language, Lenape or Delaware. The Delaware/Lenape groups were decimated by European disease, such as small pox and measles to fighting with other groups making up the Iroquois Nation, the French-Indian War and the Revolutionary War, to white settlers invading their lands. I do not know if how many of the Matawans are left, or if they are represented in any of the Indian Reservations in the Eastern USA.
Sorry I don't have any more accurate numbers.
we have been researching our ancestry and so far on my father's side we have located the family land in wales in a little village called machynileth just off the coast of cardigan bay and our search dates to 1749. someday my son and i will visit our family-tree homesteads in europe.. legends develop in anyone's family and one of the curious legends was of an american native tribe called the mantan who lived near the ohio valley and wisconsin and later moved east to the dakotas.
what was interesting about the story of these peoples is that they were blue-eyed and some green-eyed with lighter skin and it was thought early on by anthropologists that some of their words were welsh.
it turns out they were not descendents of welsh explorers but they may have been the result of earlier encounters with europeans.
It could be the Matawan Indians, a Lenape tribe, that is/was in New Jersey. 'Matawan' was an adulteration, by the white settlers, of what the Indianscalled themselves. There is still a Matawan borough in New Jersey.
